It’s being reported that a deal has been struck to allow an unnamed large AI company to use Reddit user...
Reddit user content being sold to AI company in $60M/year deal::It’s being reported that a deal has been struck to allow an unnamed large AI company to use Reddit user…
This is why its so important we don’t legislate against AI and make it illegal to use scraped data. All the data is already owned by someone, putting up walls only screws us out of the open source scene.
And legislate content ownership altogether. The idea that Reddit spent more than a decade growing its community just so that it could use our content as its own property is a huge issue. How do we safely and fairly communicate and express our ideas in society where the platforms that enable this automatically claim ownership of our ideas? Social media are middlemen with outsized influence.
The annoying part is that the only use of “AI” I have so far, is “translating reddit post titles to understandable English”. Once they train their “AI” on whatever is there, I probably won’t be able to understand the “translation” anymore… Sucks. 😬
Does this include art OC posted there being used to train art bots? If I were posting OC art I’d just delete that shit right away, not that it’ll help I suppose
Remember kids, don’t delete your account. Use scripts to replace all of your posts and comments with nonesense. If there is an option in your script to feed itba “dictionary”, I highly suggest using books from the public domain like “Lady Chatterley’s Lover” by D. H. Lawrence. Replace all images and video links with Steam Boat Willie.
Generally, what’s the best/most efficient way to make LLMs go off the rail? I mean without just typing lots of gibberish and making it too obvious. As an example: I’ve seen people formatting their prompts with java code for like 2 lines and replies instantly went nuts.
I use a few dozen novels in a single text file and randomize which lines the script pulls. It then replaces the text three times with a random pull. What you end up with are four responses in plain English. Which is the real one? You could filter out responses edited after “the great exodus”, but I have been doing this to my comments a few times per year during my twelve years on reddit.
The truth is that even if I don’t get them all, I get enough that it makes it far easier for the group that bought the data to just filter my username out rather than figure out what’s junk and what isn’t.
Yeah, that’s the idea. Originally I went the “random characters then delete” route but realized that if I used randomized book excerpts from the public domain, the AI, or even a human, would have a very hard time figuring out what was real and what was trash. Ultimately, even if I can’t modify them all, I can modify enough to make it easier for the buyer to just filter my username out in order to keep the results clean.
I do wonder how much backup data a site like Reddit keeps. I suspect their back ups are poor as the main focus is staying live and moving forward.
I’d imagine ability to revert a few days, maybe weeks but not much more than that? Would they see the value in keeping copies of every edit and a every deleted post? Would someone building the website even bother to build that functionality.
Also for reddit so much of their content is based around weblinks, which give the discussions context and meaning. I bet there are an awful lot of dead links in reddit and their moves to host their own pictures and videos was probably too late. Big hosting sites have disappeared over time or deleted content, or locked down content from AI farming.
The more I think about it, they were lucky to get $60m/year.
I’d imagine ability to revert a few days, maybe weeks but not much more than that? Would they see the value in keeping copies of every edit and a every deleted post? Would someone building the website even bother to build that functionality.
Maybe not for reversion, but I could see them keeping the edits, since it doesn’t cost them much to do so, and it could be useful for spam identification or legal purposes. For example, if an account posts spam, and then edits their comment to hide it/skirt around moderation, or vice versa.
They would also have the benefit of the edits inflating the size of the data that they’re selling, which wouldn’t hurt.
This is going to backfire when the content they are selling is used by AI to make bots to make the content that gets sold to make the AI to make bots to make the content.
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I can see it now, that ai model is going to be really, really fucking angry. lol
Honestly, I can see the appeal of a model going “fuck spez” unprompted once in a while.
This is why its so important we don’t legislate against AI and make it illegal to use scraped data. All the data is already owned by someone, putting up walls only screws us out of the open source scene.
And legislate content ownership altogether. The idea that Reddit spent more than a decade growing its community just so that it could use our content as its own property is a huge issue. How do we safely and fairly communicate and express our ideas in society where the platforms that enable this automatically claim ownership of our ideas? Social media are middlemen with outsized influence.
The annoying part is that the only use of “AI” I have so far, is “translating reddit post titles to understandable English”. Once they train their “AI” on whatever is there, I probably won’t be able to understand the “translation” anymore… Sucks. 😬
Does this include art OC posted there being used to train art bots? If I were posting OC art I’d just delete that shit right away, not that it’ll help I suppose
Remember kids, don’t delete your account. Use scripts to replace all of your posts and comments with nonesense. If there is an option in your script to feed itba “dictionary”, I highly suggest using books from the public domain like “Lady Chatterley’s Lover” by D. H. Lawrence. Replace all images and video links with Steam Boat Willie.
I did pretty much this and everything is back to the way it was.
I did it and it is still nuked. It did take a number of runs though.
Generally, what’s the best/most efficient way to make LLMs go off the rail? I mean without just typing lots of gibberish and making it too obvious. As an example: I’ve seen people formatting their prompts with java code for like 2 lines and replies instantly went nuts.
I use a few dozen novels in a single text file and randomize which lines the script pulls. It then replaces the text three times with a random pull. What you end up with are four responses in plain English. Which is the real one? You could filter out responses edited after “the great exodus”, but I have been doing this to my comments a few times per year during my twelve years on reddit.
The truth is that even if I don’t get them all, I get enough that it makes it far easier for the group that bought the data to just filter my username out rather than figure out what’s junk and what isn’t.
They sell all your edits as well. This does make it harder to scrap the data, inadvertently bringing up how much the data they sell is worth.
Yeah, that’s the idea. Originally I went the “random characters then delete” route but realized that if I used randomized book excerpts from the public domain, the AI, or even a human, would have a very hard time figuring out what was real and what was trash. Ultimately, even if I can’t modify them all, I can modify enough to make it easier for the buyer to just filter my username out in order to keep the results clean.
I do wonder how much backup data a site like Reddit keeps. I suspect their back ups are poor as the main focus is staying live and moving forward.
I’d imagine ability to revert a few days, maybe weeks but not much more than that? Would they see the value in keeping copies of every edit and a every deleted post? Would someone building the website even bother to build that functionality.
Also for reddit so much of their content is based around weblinks, which give the discussions context and meaning. I bet there are an awful lot of dead links in reddit and their moves to host their own pictures and videos was probably too late. Big hosting sites have disappeared over time or deleted content, or locked down content from AI farming.
The more I think about it, they were lucky to get $60m/year.
Maybe not for reversion, but I could see them keeping the edits, since it doesn’t cost them much to do so, and it could be useful for spam identification or legal purposes. For example, if an account posts spam, and then edits their comment to hide it/skirt around moderation, or vice versa.
They would also have the benefit of the edits inflating the size of the data that they’re selling, which wouldn’t hurt.
This is going to backfire when the content they are selling is used by AI to make bots to make the content that gets sold to make the AI to make bots to make the content.