I wonder whether this will affect people with devices like the Pi-hole in any way. As far as I understand it, Youtube is serving ads to my gateway, and only then they get blackholed, so detecting that I don’t see the ads should be more difficult (and probably not worth the effort and resources until Pi-holes and similar devices become the norm).
I think it would still detect you’re ad blocking. What you’re describing isn’t much different than how Brave blocks ads on a browser level. Usually the way they detect ad blocking is they put some piece of information or key in the ads themselves and ask the browser for that key. If it doesn’t have it, because the ad is blocked, they can assume you’re running an ad blocker. Pi hole not even letting it hit your computer would trigger that.
Idk how the new ads 2.0 system works for chrome though. Sounds like a kernel level ad-key check. Which would be even more reliable for them I assume.
Yes, lately. This news about a Youtube three strikes policy, Reddit shutting off API access, and Twitter forcing people to log in to see content are all happening on basically the same day. Is it just a coincidence, or is there some underlying factor causing these services to all tighten their respective nooses simultaneously?
I thought Reddit and Twitter were pretty clearly responses to the massive data grab by OpenAI that let them train their language models.
I assume there are other factors involved too, like Reddit trying to force everyone to use its app. But I don’t think it’s coincidence this happened not long after ChatGPT took off.
… Though now that you mention it, I wonder if there’s a connection between Netflix stamping out password sharing and Youtube getting serious about ads.
I feel like this is their reaction to the feeling that (1) frontiers are not as wide as they used to be in the younger days of the internet and (2) economic undercurrents driving them to put the clamps on, locking in their user base and trying to squeeze every dime they can before things go tits-up.
As with all innovation that was started at the behest of public (taxpayer) initiatives, companies are initially greeted with wide open frontiers - new horizons to exploit, extract, and dominate.
In the fledging stages of a startup, they will sing praises of openness and public good and the importance of community. However, once they have reached a certain point they pull the ladder up behind them, close the door, and claim they did it all based on their own ingenuity and merit.
Were it not for the effort of the public - through the creation of the internet, and the average person putting into making content and value on the internet - these companies would not exists. Don’t forget that. People; regular people, are what make the internet a place worth visiting and using. These companies are just extracting from the richness that we generate.
I like the “That company looses money every year!” and when you look into it they profited some ungodly amount and spent it on ‘infrastructure’ and bonuses. Then go ‘woe is us, we can hardly make a dime!’ while treating everyone near them like shit. (Looking at you DD)
They have been making a profit on YT for years already. This isn’t to cover the server cost, its to increase the bottom line after all competition was crushed by them. Also, I remember a time with unobtrusive ads that were fine and not an issue, unfortunately for the past 2 years or so they’re pushing more and more ads lately doubling up on them as well. Clearly people - just like me - start fighting back and stop them from abusing with massive amounts of unwanted content.
In Google case their looking at all angles to increase profits now. Tech stocks don’t just rise based on a concept of far off future revenues anymore. Dickhead CEO’s have become emboldend by Musk’s actions sadly.
They might actually get me to pay for premium because there’s no way I’m watching ads but it’s not like I’m not going to try every single trick in the book first and make them really work for my subscribtion. Aftell all I’m still using instagram ad-free aswell.
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I wonder whether this will affect people with devices like the Pi-hole in any way. As far as I understand it, Youtube is serving ads to my gateway, and only then they get blackholed, so detecting that I don’t see the ads should be more difficult (and probably not worth the effort and resources until Pi-holes and similar devices become the norm).
I think it would still detect you’re ad blocking. What you’re describing isn’t much different than how Brave blocks ads on a browser level. Usually the way they detect ad blocking is they put some piece of information or key in the ads themselves and ask the browser for that key. If it doesn’t have it, because the ad is blocked, they can assume you’re running an ad blocker. Pi hole not even letting it hit your computer would trigger that.
Idk how the new ads 2.0 system works for chrome though. Sounds like a kernel level ad-key check. Which would be even more reliable for them I assume.
Cat: …Wait a moment, we’re using Ad Nauseam. Which stores the ads and fakes clicks on them.
Lucifer: Would that spoof the key check?
All these tech companies are really getting bold lately with wildly unpopular decisions to try and raise profits
Lately? That always has been the case. You just forget them. Remember when they removed the dislike button? Or polls? Any any other feature?
Yes, lately. This news about a Youtube three strikes policy, Reddit shutting off API access, and Twitter forcing people to log in to see content are all happening on basically the same day. Is it just a coincidence, or is there some underlying factor causing these services to all tighten their respective nooses simultaneously?
Twitter was apparently just a glitch. I’m told it’s tricky to run a half billion user website with a skeleton crew.
I thought Reddit and Twitter were pretty clearly responses to the massive data grab by OpenAI that let them train their language models.
I assume there are other factors involved too, like Reddit trying to force everyone to use its app. But I don’t think it’s coincidence this happened not long after ChatGPT took off.
… Though now that you mention it, I wonder if there’s a connection between Netflix stamping out password sharing and Youtube getting serious about ads.
I feel like this is their reaction to the feeling that (1) frontiers are not as wide as they used to be in the younger days of the internet and (2) economic undercurrents driving them to put the clamps on, locking in their user base and trying to squeeze every dime they can before things go tits-up.
As with all innovation that was started at the behest of public (taxpayer) initiatives, companies are initially greeted with wide open frontiers - new horizons to exploit, extract, and dominate.
In the fledging stages of a startup, they will sing praises of openness and public good and the importance of community. However, once they have reached a certain point they pull the ladder up behind them, close the door, and claim they did it all based on their own ingenuity and merit.
Were it not for the effort of the public - through the creation of the internet, and the average person putting into making content and value on the internet - these companies would not exists. Don’t forget that. People; regular people, are what make the internet a place worth visiting and using. These companies are just extracting from the richness that we generate.
The platforms cost billions to run, and they are run by companies that are expected to have yearly growth.
You can blame the companies for being greed, but the users are equally naive if they think the money is just going to materialize out of thin air.
Free to use with no ads just isn’t going to work, someone is going to need to cover the server cost.
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I like the “That company looses money every year!” and when you look into it they profited some ungodly amount and spent it on ‘infrastructure’ and bonuses. Then go ‘woe is us, we can hardly make a dime!’ while treating everyone near them like shit. (Looking at you DD)
They have been making a profit on YT for years already. This isn’t to cover the server cost, its to increase the bottom line after all competition was crushed by them. Also, I remember a time with unobtrusive ads that were fine and not an issue, unfortunately for the past 2 years or so they’re pushing more and more ads lately doubling up on them as well. Clearly people - just like me - start fighting back and stop them from abusing with massive amounts of unwanted content.
In Google case their looking at all angles to increase profits now. Tech stocks don’t just rise based on a concept of far off future revenues anymore. Dickhead CEO’s have become emboldend by Musk’s actions sadly.
They might actually get me to pay for premium because there’s no way I’m watching ads but it’s not like I’m not going to try every single trick in the book first and make them really work for my subscribtion. Aftell all I’m still using instagram ad-free aswell.