Not sure if this is a good place for this post or not, but here goes.
I reject outbound connections to meta domains at the firewall. I noticed this banking app refuses to prompt for login credentials unless I am on mobile or a public WiFi network. I watched my FW logs and noticed many rejected connections to graph[.]facebook[.]com.
I contacted their support team, but they denied the connection was their app. I shared the screenshot on this post and they closed my case without comment.
I emailed the address on the Google play store and they also denied the connection was their app. I shared the screenshot and they asked if I downloaded the app from the play store, implying the official app doesn’t do this, but of course it does.They closed my case without proper resolution as well.
Just thought I’d share this here so people know that some banks make direct connections to Facebook to share analytics, without your knowledge or informed consent, and they lie about it when called on it.
It’s probably NTP a lot of banking apps have extra protections and if it can’t determine the time from its own trusted authority it may not allow the connection.
When I unblock the Facebook address, the app opens as expected.
I’m not blocking any NTP. My home servers rely on it (just TrueNAS checks time every 3 minutes…), but I do block DNS outbound to force using my own DNS.
I do block DNS outbound to force using my own DNS.
This doesn’t make sense. Blocking outbound DNS is effectively blocking everything, as you can see if your screenshot. Launchdarkly and NTP are both “closed”. Did you look at your own screenshot?
I’m going to assume that hopefully OP knows how DNS works and meant he blocks all outbound DNS requests from his devices and sets a specific DNS for his external queries from his FW/Router. I do the same thing.
However, he is blocking NTP right there so who knows.
Launchdarkly is likely a culprit as well. Just doing a background search reveals that the service allows dev teams to do A/B testing, enable new features without releasing a new version, and various other “dynamic” functions.
I have had them for well over a decade now after yeeting US Bank to the curb. Their customer service is top notch, there’s never been any fuckery whatsoever with my multiple checking accts, and the $10/month reimbursement of out-of-network ATM fees is solid.
I was even able to get someone on the phone when I was in the middle of a casino at 1AM at a bachelor party, to get them to temporarily raise my ATM daily limit so I could continue the party. They would have to do something terribly egregious to get me to leave.
I know a software developer that worked for Ally when they were adding this. They all said it was a terrible idea, but were ignored. The reason they claim it’s needed is to track app installs that originate from an ad on Facebook. Since the App Store sits in between the ad click and App launch, there isn’t an easy way to track it without that. But, it shouldn’t be blocking you from logging in.
I remember we had to build an obj-c wrapper for FB’s calls like these because of these crashes, that basically ignored the stall and continued the user’s session regardless
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Unless you have a secondary timeserver set up, blocking pool.npt.org is going to mess up a lot of programs that are dependent on time.
I think the screenshot is just showing connections the app’s made, not necessarily blocked ones. I doubt any blocklist would contain pool.ntp.org
True, here I redirect every NTP request to my own timeserver
It’s probably NTP a lot of banking apps have extra protections and if it can’t determine the time from its own trusted authority it may not allow the connection.
When I unblock the Facebook address, the app opens as expected.
I’m not blocking any NTP. My home servers rely on it (just TrueNAS checks time every 3 minutes…), but I do block DNS outbound to force using my own DNS.
You are blocking NTP though. Look at your image, all the way at the bottom.
This doesn’t make sense. Blocking outbound DNS is effectively blocking everything, as you can see if your screenshot. Launchdarkly and NTP are both “closed”. Did you look at your own screenshot?
Do you know how DNS works?
I’m going to assume that hopefully OP knows how DNS works and meant he blocks all outbound DNS requests from his devices and sets a specific DNS for his external queries from his FW/Router. I do the same thing.
However, he is blocking NTP right there so who knows.
Launchdarkly is likely a culprit as well. Just doing a background search reveals that the service allows dev teams to do A/B testing, enable new features without releasing a new version, and various other “dynamic” functions.
OP is on the wrong side of Occam’s razor
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All the technical discussion is interesting. But perhaps more importantly, is it time to consider a new bank?
Naw Ally is a good bank.
That’s a pretty impressive reputational improvement for something that started out as the finance arm of General Motors.
I have had them for well over a decade now after yeeting US Bank to the curb. Their customer service is top notch, there’s never been any fuckery whatsoever with my multiple checking accts, and the $10/month reimbursement of out-of-network ATM fees is solid.
I was even able to get someone on the phone when I was in the middle of a casino at 1AM at a bachelor party, to get them to temporarily raise my ATM daily limit so I could continue the party. They would have to do something terribly egregious to get me to leave.
Requirement to use Facebook argues otherwise.
If that was actually the case then maybe. But I see no proof of that.
File a complaint with the government. I’m not sure which agency, but there is definitely one for that.
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Not in the US there isn’t
If they do any sort of Facebook login/auth, frequently facebook will require them to send them data about ANYONE who is using their site.
I’ve never seen a bank do any social auth
online only banking seems like a scam with extra steps
I know a software developer that worked for Ally when they were adding this. They all said it was a terrible idea, but were ignored. The reason they claim it’s needed is to track app installs that originate from an ad on Facebook. Since the App Store sits in between the ad click and App launch, there isn’t an easy way to track it without that. But, it shouldn’t be blocking you from logging in.
I remember we had to build an obj-c wrapper for FB’s calls like these because of these crashes, that basically ignored the stall and continued the user’s session regardless