Actually all higher primates do capitalism. Bonobos pay with food for sex, Chipanzees pay with support for a higher rank, Orangs pay with food for other orangs making them a bad out of leaves. I suggest to read Barterverse: Galactic Economics 1: Happy Existence
They would exchange the currency, steal it, gamble with it, purchase with it, and even do some prostitution for it.
Edit: To people responding that this isnt capitalism, it actually is, in this case the privatized controller of wealth were the researchers distributing “payment” to the monkeys at a fixed rate, as well as having experiments where the monkeys had to pull levers before they would receive rewards either to themselves or later, altruistically to other monkeys.
You would know that if you took the time to read up on the study before responding…
It’s only capitalism when one monkey owns the means of production and starts paying another money a wage while taking the wealth they produce.
It would be really interesting if the scientists gave all of the monkeys a huge supply of walnuts, and one of the monkeys a tool to open walnuts. Would the monkey share the tool when it was finished opening walnuts? Charge the other monkeys to use the tool? Would the other monkeys beat the shit out of them and share it?
Still not capitalism. Capitalism would be one Orang owning the bed factory (capital) and allowing other Orang to get some fruit for making beds while the capitalist Orang would get fruit by virtue of letting other Orangs work in his bed factory.
I vaguely remember reading about monkeys teaming up and beating others to death if they hoard too much ‘wealth’. If that’s actually true the meme is still kind of true.
We had to be broken into it and, by it, domesticated over hundreds of years. Now people can’t even imagine any other system possibly “working” (the exacts nature of the not working-ness of other systems is hard to pin down when we’re honest about those things also applying to capitalism).
The origins of the feudal system isn’t up for debate and we know it down to very fine detail. Hell, we can even tell the origins of some wild and obscure economic systems, not just, say, the roman slave economy. However, for some reason, were all expected to beleive capitalism just happened, as if by magic, out of no where.
Well, thats because you can’t teach the origins of capitalism, without it being a criticism of capitalism, and you can’t teach any criticism of capitalism in school either in the UK or the US.
It must be such a good and fair system to have to have its origins hidden.
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To be fair, every monkey would be clubbed to death by trying to explain something to other monkeys.
Apropos: https://www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monkeys-the-concept-of-money-not-long-after-the-first-prostitute-monkey-appeared/
Actually all higher primates do capitalism. Bonobos pay with food for sex, Chipanzees pay with support for a higher rank, Orangs pay with food for other orangs making them a bad out of leaves. I suggest to read Barterverse: Galactic Economics 1: Happy Existence
Capitalism isn’t just the trade of goods and services
this here, original commenter’s take is the typical dumb take you hear from students of economy.
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Unfortunately this is false. They’ve tested this and monkeys establish captilasm extremely fast when they come to understand currency as a concept.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/503550
They would exchange the currency, steal it, gamble with it, purchase with it, and even do some prostitution for it.
Edit: To people responding that this isnt capitalism, it actually is, in this case the privatized controller of wealth were the researchers distributing “payment” to the monkeys at a fixed rate, as well as having experiments where the monkeys had to pull levers before they would receive rewards either to themselves or later, altruistically to other monkeys.
You would know that if you took the time to read up on the study before responding…
These are certainly words…
This take is insultingly dumb. As others have pointed out, trading goods for anything doesn’t equal capitalism.
That’s not Capitalism, that’s just exchange.
That’s not capitalism, that’s just a market.
It’s only capitalism when one monkey owns the means of production and starts paying another money a wage while taking the wealth they produce.
It would be really interesting if the scientists gave all of the monkeys a huge supply of walnuts, and one of the monkeys a tool to open walnuts. Would the monkey share the tool when it was finished opening walnuts? Charge the other monkeys to use the tool? Would the other monkeys beat the shit out of them and share it?
Orangs do that. One Orang is collecting food and giving to to another Orang building a bed from leaves.
Why? Because the first Orang is better at collecting food and the second at building beds.
Still not capitalism. Capitalism would be one Orang owning the bed factory (capital) and allowing other Orang to get some fruit for making beds while the capitalist Orang would get fruit by virtue of letting other Orangs work in his bed factory.
Exchange =/= capitalism
I vaguely remember reading about monkeys teaming up and beating others to death if they hoard too much ‘wealth’. If that’s actually true the meme is still kind of true.
Having a common medium of exchange isn’t the same thing as “capitalism”
When I woke up today I never would if guessed that today is the day I would wind up accidentally learning that monkey prostitutes are a thing.
I’m sorry for your loss.
In this thread: many apes who demonstrate they have no idea what capitalism is.
I’m starting a new line of NFTs that will be Communist apes.
Anybody can make them and anybody that needs one can have one.
As it happens, no one needs that. So none exist.
It would have happened with people too.
We had to be broken into it and, by it, domesticated over hundreds of years. Now people can’t even imagine any other system possibly “working” (the exacts nature of the not working-ness of other systems is hard to pin down when we’re honest about those things also applying to capitalism).
The origins of the feudal system isn’t up for debate and we know it down to very fine detail. Hell, we can even tell the origins of some wild and obscure economic systems, not just, say, the roman slave economy. However, for some reason, were all expected to beleive capitalism just happened, as if by magic, out of no where.
Well, thats because you can’t teach the origins of capitalism, without it being a criticism of capitalism, and you can’t teach any criticism of capitalism in school either in the UK or the US.
It must be such a good and fair system to have to have its origins hidden.