Do you miss phones with replaceable batteries? By 2027, you won't anymore because, by law, almost every smartphone will have them again.

Do you miss phones with replaceable batteries? By 2027, you won’t anymore because, by law, almost every smartphone will have them again.

@malchior@lemmy.world
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Good, no reason why my Pixel 6 shouldn’t last until I accidentally drop it instead of the slow death of worsening battery.

@reddig33@lemmy.world
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Good. I also read appliances (like your electric toothbrush or headphones) will also have to follow this guidance. This should make it easier to repair and recycle electronics.

Ljdawson (Sync dev)
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Wonder how waterproofing will hold up

themeatbridge
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Depends on how important it is to customers. Waterproofing was always just an excuse to seal the case and make repairs harder, and wasn’t a feature that the market demanded. We always had waterproof phones for people who needed them. You can seal a battery compartment to IP68 with a bit of effort, and IP44 is essentially what you need to put it in your pocket anyway.

@zouden@lemmy.world
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I think all phones should be waterproof to some degree

eric
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Would you pay extra for waterproofing? If so how much?

I think all phone lines should have a waterproof option that doesn’t have a an easy to remove battery. That way consumers are given the choice at the time of purchase, and the people that want waterproofing are the only ones affected by the repairability tradeoff.

The Samsung S5 has an IP67 rating and the battery on that was easy to replace.

If you drop either phone they are probably just as likely to be compromised.

I could see a latch that you need the sim ejector to open. Something that still very secure, but possible for an user user to replace with out the need of a freaking heat gun. While still keeping the design.

@Jat620DH27@lemmy.world
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Only EU though

@BaardFigur@lemmy.world
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@Tag365@lemmy.world
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Does this mean they’ll mandate SD card slots and headphone ports too?

Don’t worry. Phone manufacturers will appease this in the most frustrating way possible. Kind of like how apple does the at home replacement hardware.

@BigToe@lemmy.world
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Doubtful since those are not required for the life/longevity of the tech.

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@Imotali@lemmy.world
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Which this isn’t totally solving. Don’t get me wrong this is a good thing. But the real issue with planned obsolescence is OS support.

@BigToe@lemmy.world
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Very true, limited OS support kills most devices eventually, sadly there is only so much you can mandate as many apps and programs will stop working on old OS as they are updated. What should be criminal is apple patching old OS too purposely slow them down.

@Rooki@lemmy.world
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2027 wow they could have taken like 3999 With that. It has to come NOW or it has literally 0 effect.

Nioxic
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Its NOT just smartphones

Its damn near everything!

Electric cars, other electronics etc

Some are just not “user replacable” (such as a cars batteries)

this law will change all iPhones. It will also change all tablets, laptops, EVs, e-bikes, and anything else with a rechargeable battery

Headphones, gaming mice, gaminh controllers. Its gonna be great

Xero
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but only the EU though, everywhere else is still fucked

@Zeron@lemmy.world
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Chances are most companies aren’t going to make two separate production lines with and without a removable battery. The cost likely outweighs the profit i’d wager. Much like how we see apple finally begrudgingly moving to USB-C despite no NA law requiring them to do so.

@Aux@lemmy.world
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Xero
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I hope so too. But if somehow the cost to manufacture phones with removable batteries is higher then I doubt they’d switch the existing production line to removable battery. I hope I’m wrong, to be honest.

@straF@lemmy.world
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There’s just going to be more plastic phones.

It’s not so much the batteries for me but the USB C port that has been my main issue and that damn humidity/water sensor that thinks that I’ve dipped my phone in water when I haven’t

@madthumbs@lemmy.world
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That’s part of the problem I have with this. Most electronics life cycle is gone before or around the time the battery is gone. Only people that abuse the batteries by over charging / full draining typically benefit from replacement batteries. -And this just mostly needs awareness.

@WireOwl@lemmy.world
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The vast majority of batteries operated devices are stuff that in its use is going to be “abused”. The hell is the harm in letting people switch out a fucking battery if that’s the issue. Companies won’t let people switch batteries out so they are being made. Apple have been fighting tooth and nail over repair shops

@madthumbs@lemmy.world
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You use Apple? lol.

@WireOwl@lemmy.world
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Uhhh no I was just using them as an example of a company that is really against customer repairs

They fucking brick stuff that’s repaired.

@WhaleSnail@lemmy.world
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It’s not a Samsung device is it? Their sensors seem to be super sensitive. Meanwhile my pixel has been used in the shower and not said a word…

It actually is! Second time I’m having the subboard replaced. 3rd time I can request a new phone or a replacement by law. Still not ok for a flagship phone by such a large manufacturer

@peekaboo@lemmy.world
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Try cleaning it. I used to have the same issue, and had to get the subboard replaced multiple times too, until I realized that mechanically cleaning it with something really thin works as well. Felt really dumb after finding out lol. The pocket lint can absorb moisture and then the sensor doesn’t work properly.

I’ll try it out thanks

@WhaleSnail@lemmy.world
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It’s almost hypersensitive, well beyond what it needs to be. I couldn’t charge it by cable for 3 days. Not ok at all, good luck with it mate!

@lucid_clam@lemmy.world
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Personally I find this terrible news. Expect people to replace their batteries with cheap Chinese fire hazards. With the size of these batteries and the density id be terrified living in an apartment building. There is already a lot of this going on with cheap electric scooters and recreational vehicles.

Add on the fact that I don’t miss the days of bulky phones where I drop them and the battery goes flying out (also dangerous).

@aloeha@lemmy.world
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Based EU

Entropy
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I wonder how apple will react to this

Shaolin Shrimp
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Design batteries that can also function independently as a powerbank? That would be useful.

@gressen@lemmy.world
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By designing a model of iphone with replaceable battery, of course.

@lucid_clam@lemmy.world
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Personally I find this terrible news. Expect people to replace their batteries with cheap Chinese fire hazards. With the size of these batteries and the density id be terrified living in an apartment building. There is already a lot of this going on with cheap electric scooters and recreational vehicles.

Add on the fact that I don’t miss the days of bulky phones where I drop them and the battery goes flying out (also dangerous).

Tbh, I don’t miss this.

Phone batteries generally last 3-4 years (sometimes longer depending on the size), and by that point it’s usually time to upgrade to a new phone anyway for the latest security updates and such.

There’s abolutely no reason a smartphone couldn’t be designed to last +6 years. My laptop is 7 years old and it still works perfectly fine - even has the original battery in it. My PC on the other hand is almost 15 years old and still in use.

@witx@lemmy.world
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Not it’s not. You should read about throttling down

@Galluf@lemmy.world
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That’s been true, but I wouldn’t expect the year over year differences of phones to continue indefinitely.

Advances were very rapid when it was a nascent industry, but it’s already slowed down significantly. It will slow more by 2027.

@AccidentalLemming@lemmy.world
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They don’t?

I’m pretty sure you can install iOS 16 on an iPhone 8, which came out in 2017, almost 6 years ago. And that’s a major system update. If you just need security updates, the latest one was in January and supported phones as far back as the iPhone 5s, released almost 10 years ago today.

But in reality, people want better phones and better cameras every few years, so they buy them. And they tend not to throw out their old ones, but sell/trade them or pass them along to someone else.

@lhx@lemmy.world
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I thought there were large exceptions for water proofing etc…?

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