1,504 workers, including 504 HR managers questioned.
Nearly two in five (37 percent) managers, directors, and executives believe their organization enacted layoffs in the last year because fewer employees than they expected quit during their RTO. And their beliefs are well-founded: One in four (25 percent) VP and C-suite executives and one in five (18 percent) HR pros admit they hoped for some voluntary turnover during an RTO.
Joke’s on them, I quit my 11-year job with a company enacting RTO and it fucked them over because I had no backups and very little cross training my entire time there. Ex-employees have told me things went to shit after I left. Good. 😂
That’s something, lol. I’m not irreplaceable but it would be an absolute clusterfuck if I left, at least for a while.
I do a good job of documenting everything but so much of my work relies on scripts that I wrote and never properly deployed - a mix of python and VBA, and all my reporting relies on an API connection that nobody else maintains and other than a handful of queries I shared, nobody really knows how to use it.
I’m not trying to be shitty but it’s job security.
Not shitty at all! Cross training and backups are your employer’s problem, not yours. It may hurt you if you go on vacation or are sick, but it hurts them even more when you leave. Job security is job security and I’ll take it lol
Yeah, I love my teammates but when I leave I’m gonna do like zero “knowledge transfer”. Not my fault you haven’t expanded my team in 5 years or that you keep giving us more and more responsibilities from roles you removed because they were “obsolete” or that you spread us so thin we can’t naturally transfer knowledge as we go.
I could walk away from my job today and the only thing people would notice is the email daemon. Going to keep cruising as far beneath the surface as I can and get that paycheck. Probably get some free AI training too.
Really dumb, because it means your most talented employees will quit (because they can get a better offer elsewhere). This isn’t like a targeted layoff.
If you can replace one talented high-wage employee with 3 college hires then do this a couple times statistically you’re still going to retain some talented employees because not all can leave. Those that remain will train the others ou of necessity either directly by management or indirectly by a fear of missing timelines/ego/being the local expert/etc.
Management knows this and actively encourages this behavior because by the time the talented employee burns out and self-destructs, at least one trainee will be competent enough to keep things moving.
It really depends a lot on how junior those “talented” employees are.
The senior types won’t let themselves burn out and self-destruct, it’s only the gifted juniors (who are way less productive than the seniors and lack the senior’s capability to enhance other people’s productivity, no matter how amazing their raw talent is) who will fall for that shit.
Put gifted juniors through the meat grinder a couple of times and the ones who are left recognize that shit a mile away and either avoid ending up in such work environments, refuse to take that shit and exercise informal control around them to stop it if they can or simply leave.
It’s not by chance that the Tech companies with the worst work environments (such as Google) are heavilly focused on straight-out-of-uni graduates with high grades as “talent” - their meat-grinder environment can’t retain people beyond a certain seniority unless they’re moved out of the meat-grinder parts - and this then gets reflected on the quality of what they produced (“messy” barelly begins to describe how badly designed and architectured the software that comes out of Google is).
As a corporate guy, I’ll let y’all in on a secrete: a lot of the bullshit policies that you hear about are meant to piss people off and increase turnover. It’s an attempt to get rid of the bottom of the barrel and keep the people in the middle in a state of fear or discomfort to maintain productivity.
Why ends up happening is you skim the top employees and are left with the bottom of the barrel that performs even worse because they are in a state of fear and discomfort.
Having been a senior expert in a high demand area for most of my career (and, modesty on the side, pretty good at what I do), I couldn’t agree more.
People really good and senior in expert domains come in two styles:
The kind that complains that “it’s the same everywhere”, are miserable and never change jobs, who eventually stagnate in terms of professional growth because their professional experience is so narrow (to progress professionally beyond a certain point you really need to work in different places and have different responsabilities so that your knowledge is broad enough and well rounded enough that you start getting the meta part of you job - work processes and stakeholders - that becomes important at the senior levels even outside management).
The kind that has a well rounded experience, worked in a bunch of places and is comfortable with the whole “getting a new job” process (both interviewing and starting a job in a new place) so can walk out the door and have a new job tommorrow paying the same or better.
Whilst, both kinds generally value stability (though the former overdoes it) as there is comfort in the familiar and people generally also make friends were they work in if they’re there long enough (in fact, large Tech companies heavilly push for “your work is your family” exactly for this reason), the second does have the confidence to know their skills are in demand and hence they can easilly find another job, compared to more junior professionals with less expertise makes more money (also a product of changing jobs once in a while) and usually have more savings, so have more freedom to move (both in financial and mental terms) hence a lower threshold for how much shit they will take: push them and you’ll easilly lose them (and, from my experience, they’re the hardest kind of professional to replace).
I would say that in a company, of everybody it’s the second kind of senior expert who has the more ease of moving and are more comfortable doing so: they have the most pull from the outside, the most savings to cover any financial risk (and, as pointed out somewhere else, people have a higher income growth from moving jobs than staying in the same job, so even amongst senior experts the type #2 tend to earn more) and the most experience with the whole process of finding and starting a new job.
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that seems high. 6 hrs of pure work every day isn’t even sustainable
It’s almost as if upper management doesn’t actually give a shit about productivity and workers work better where they feel most comfortable.
Joke’s on them, I quit my 11-year job with a company enacting RTO and it fucked them over because I had no backups and very little cross training my entire time there. Ex-employees have told me things went to shit after I left. Good. 😂
Ah man, living the dream!
That’s something, lol. I’m not irreplaceable but it would be an absolute clusterfuck if I left, at least for a while.
I do a good job of documenting everything but so much of my work relies on scripts that I wrote and never properly deployed - a mix of python and VBA, and all my reporting relies on an API connection that nobody else maintains and other than a handful of queries I shared, nobody really knows how to use it.
I’m not trying to be shitty but it’s job security.
Not shitty at all! Cross training and backups are your employer’s problem, not yours. It may hurt you if you go on vacation or are sick, but it hurts them even more when you leave. Job security is job security and I’ll take it lol
Yeah, I love my teammates but when I leave I’m gonna do like zero “knowledge transfer”. Not my fault you haven’t expanded my team in 5 years or that you keep giving us more and more responsibilities from roles you removed because they were “obsolete” or that you spread us so thin we can’t naturally transfer knowledge as we go.
I could walk away from my job today and the only thing people would notice is the email daemon. Going to keep cruising as far beneath the surface as I can and get that paycheck. Probably get some free AI training too.
Really dumb, because it means your most talented employees will quit (because they can get a better offer elsewhere). This isn’t like a targeted layoff.
If you can replace one talented high-wage employee with 3 college hires then do this a couple times statistically you’re still going to retain some talented employees because not all can leave. Those that remain will train the others ou of necessity either directly by management or indirectly by a fear of missing timelines/ego/being the local expert/etc.
Management knows this and actively encourages this behavior because by the time the talented employee burns out and self-destructs, at least one trainee will be competent enough to keep things moving.
It really depends a lot on how junior those “talented” employees are.
The senior types won’t let themselves burn out and self-destruct, it’s only the gifted juniors (who are way less productive than the seniors and lack the senior’s capability to enhance other people’s productivity, no matter how amazing their raw talent is) who will fall for that shit.
Put gifted juniors through the meat grinder a couple of times and the ones who are left recognize that shit a mile away and either avoid ending up in such work environments, refuse to take that shit and exercise informal control around them to stop it if they can or simply leave.
It’s not by chance that the Tech companies with the worst work environments (such as Google) are heavilly focused on straight-out-of-uni graduates with high grades as “talent” - their meat-grinder environment can’t retain people beyond a certain seniority unless they’re moved out of the meat-grinder parts - and this then gets reflected on the quality of what they produced (“messy” barelly begins to describe how badly designed and architectured the software that comes out of Google is).
Other than short term, greed most executives are extremely stupid.
It’s not that they’re stupid, it’s that their incentives aren’t the same as the long term wellbeing of the company.
Some company heads are psychopaths, popular deep-seated belief confirms
As a corporate guy, I’ll let y’all in on a secrete: a lot of the bullshit policies that you hear about are meant to piss people off and increase turnover. It’s an attempt to get rid of the bottom of the barrel and keep the people in the middle in a state of fear or discomfort to maintain productivity.
Why ends up happening is you skim the top employees and are left with the bottom of the barrel that performs even worse because they are in a state of fear and discomfort.
Having been a senior expert in a high demand area for most of my career (and, modesty on the side, pretty good at what I do), I couldn’t agree more.
People really good and senior in expert domains come in two styles:
Whilst, both kinds generally value stability (though the former overdoes it) as there is comfort in the familiar and people generally also make friends were they work in if they’re there long enough (in fact, large Tech companies heavilly push for “your work is your family” exactly for this reason), the second does have the confidence to know their skills are in demand and hence they can easilly find another job, compared to more junior professionals with less expertise makes more money (also a product of changing jobs once in a while) and usually have more savings, so have more freedom to move (both in financial and mental terms) hence a lower threshold for how much shit they will take: push them and you’ll easilly lose them (and, from my experience, they’re the hardest kind of professional to replace).
I would say that in a company, of everybody it’s the second kind of senior expert who has the more ease of moving and are more comfortable doing so: they have the most pull from the outside, the most savings to cover any financial risk (and, as pointed out somewhere else, people have a higher income growth from moving jobs than staying in the same job, so even amongst senior experts the type #2 tend to earn more) and the most experience with the whole process of finding and starting a new job.
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