With The 745-mile Solid-state Battery, Toyota Just Became A Force To Reckon With::Toyota has been criticized for not being the most proactive manufacturer out there, but with this new solid-state battery, it just changed the game.
Unfortunately they’ve been pushing the release date of this battery forward for the last two three years or so. I believe they have some core technology but haven’t been able to overcome some critical issues.
CATL and BYD have already shipped the Sodium Ion batteries that cost nearly a third of LiPho and half that of Li-ion at similar densities, you can buy cells and cars in China already.
They also both have cells and cars out next year with a 2x density Li-ion, it’s already been showcased so we know it exists but it’s not on sale yet. By the time Toyota ships these Chinese companies will have been in market with a comparable product for many years. Sodium ion will do great for existing range and replace LiPho for power storage and the new Li-ion will be used in high range cars and probably replace all Li-ion in everything where density is preferable to price.
As far as I know they are equivalent density to LiPho, I don’t know how they do it but it should allow similar range to existing current Li-ion batteries.
Density might be similar, but sodium can accumulate and release much less energy than Lithium, and it is heavier. It means that similar batteries, similar density, would need to be larger and heavier.
the first vehicles with this battery are expected to be hybrids instead of all-electric vehicles. Toyota claims it will be ready for sale in 2027 or 2028.
This tells me we probably need to wait until 2030+ for this supposed 745mile battery.
745 mile range on the battery and they’d make it a hybrid? What a waste!
Need a more complicated drivetrain, a transmission, an engine block, and a fuel tank. All of that added weight and complexity when you have a 745 mile range without it?
It’ll be a much smaller solid state battery in a hybrid, they wouldn’t put enough batteries in it to hit 745 miles. I assume they would use at most 10% of the cells a 745mile vehicle would need and it could be under 5% of the cells needed.
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Yeah until they put it in a car that is for sale and I can buy at my local dealer, I ain’t believing it.
The fact that they would put this in a hybrid means there’s something limiting it (ie poor discharge power, overheats easily, etc).
Unfortunately they’ve been pushing the release date of this battery forward for the last two three years or so. I believe they have some core technology but haven’t been able to overcome some critical issues.
I want to see a car out there with it, and some years of it working…
CATL and BYD have already shipped the Sodium Ion batteries that cost nearly a third of LiPho and half that of Li-ion at similar densities, you can buy cells and cars in China already.
They also both have cells and cars out next year with a 2x density Li-ion, it’s already been showcased so we know it exists but it’s not on sale yet. By the time Toyota ships these Chinese companies will have been in market with a comparable product for many years. Sodium ion will do great for existing range and replace LiPho for power storage and the new Li-ion will be used in high range cars and probably replace all Li-ion in everything where density is preferable to price.
How do they manage that you need more sodium to store comparable amount of energy? Larger size?
As far as I know they are equivalent density to LiPho, I don’t know how they do it but it should allow similar range to existing current Li-ion batteries.
Density might be similar, but sodium can accumulate and release much less energy than Lithium, and it is heavier. It means that similar batteries, similar density, would need to be larger and heavier.
That’s the disadvantage of sodium over Lithium
Always have been
right behind the hydrogen-powered daily drivers!
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Toyota has been “about to change the game” for a long time. They are just trying to keep investors happy while not actually investing in evs
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This tells me we probably need to wait until 2030+ for this supposed 745mile battery.
745 mile range on the battery and they’d make it a hybrid? What a waste!
Need a more complicated drivetrain, a transmission, an engine block, and a fuel tank. All of that added weight and complexity when you have a 745 mile range without it?
Why? What is their reasoning?
It’ll be a much smaller solid state battery in a hybrid, they wouldn’t put enough batteries in it to hit 745 miles. I assume they would use at most 10% of the cells a 745mile vehicle would need and it could be under 5% of the cells needed.
I’ll believe it when they actually put that battery in a car.
I love some proper vaporware!
Yeez the EV scene is riddled with promises. Make a car already.
Then make a car with it today! This is just propaganda.