They appear to be quite oppressive.https://www.lehtoslaw.com
For those using ChatGPT, if anything you post is used in a lawsuit against OpenAI, OpenAI can send you the bill for the court case (attorney fees and such) whether OpenAI wins or loses.
https://openai.com/policies/terms-of-use
7. Indemnification; Disclaimer of Warranties; Limitations on Liability
(a) Indemnity. You will defend, indemnify, and hold harmless us, our affiliates, and our personnel, from and against any claims, losses, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees) arising from or relating to your use of the Services, including your Content, products or services you develop or offer in connection with the Services, and your breach of these Terms or violation of applicable law.
c) Limitations of Liability. NEITHER WE NOR ANY OF OUR AFFILIATES OR LICENSORS WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, OR DATA OR OTHER LOSSES, EVEN IF WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. OUR AGGREGATE LIABILITY UNDER THESE TERMS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE GREATER OF THE AMOUNT YOU PAID FOR THE SERVICE THAT GAVE RISE TO THE CLAIM DURING THE 12 MONTHS BEFORE THE LIABILITY AROSE OR ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($100). THE LIMITATIONS IN THIS SECTION APPLY ONLY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.
This is section 7c in their TOS. I watched the video but still confused.
Does this essentially set a cap of max(user paid, 100) that OpenAI has to pay to users if there’s any damage?
Or is that the cap that users pay to OpenAI when there’s a lawsuit against OpenAI and their lawyers send users the bill?
They produced a language model. It does nothing more than predict the next word. It will lie all the time, that’s part of how it works. It makes stuff up from the input it gets.
If you post that stuff online and it contains lies about people and you didn’t check it, you absolutely should be liable for that. I don’t see a problem with that.
Right, but what about the case where you post something that doesn’t contain lies at all?
What if ChatGPT outputs something that a certain former president gets offended by and he decides to sue OpenAI?
According to their ToS it doesn’t matter if it’s a “frivolous lawsuit”. If OpenAI had to pay any attorney fees just to respond to some ridiculous lawsuit, they could still bill you for those costs.
I don’t think it makes sense at that point at all.
Of course the vast majority of users would never have to worry about this, but it’s still something to be aware of.
That’s gotta be more to cover their ass then to come after you. Unless you use it’s generated text to sue the company I don’t think they would ever try to sue their users or else everyone would stop using the platform and Microsoft would have a huge PR problem and their stock price would drop. It just doesn’t logically make sense for them to do that, unless they were sued by you for the content produced by your inputs.
I am not a lawyer and the implications are larger than this.
Do not post, share, trade, or otherwise make public any ChatGPT output from your sessions until you fact verify that data to the extent that you’re willing to take legal responsibility for it. In this case, especially causing a lawsuit against OpenAI. Because when that happens, you will foot the bill.
Hi, I’m a lawyer. While I work in a different area of law and therefore can’t speak too in depth about this with certainty, if their terms are as enforceable as the linked articles seem to indicate, then yes, this is good advice.
As always with the law, things may vary by jurisdiction. If you have specific questions, contact a lawyer in your area.
Basically just be careful if you like to post images/text taken straight from ChatGPT.
If you post anything that someone gets offended about and decides to sue ChatGPT (OpenAI) over it, they can turn around and bill you for those legal costs (whether they win the lawsuit or not).
Or if you post a screenshot that proves that you can get ChatGPT to write out the entire first chapter of some copyright protected book…
I’ve also seen people who like to “jailbreak” ChatGPT and then post things like tricking ChatGPT into giving instructions on how to make certain illegal devices and such. Again, just be careful and think if someone could sue the makers of ChatGPT and they include your social media post in the lawsuit, you have already agreed to pay their legal costs for that lawsuit.
Only because they write something in their shitty corporate document doesn’t mean that it holds up later. Sure they can write, that you sold your soul to them, but that doesn’t mean that it is binding at all.
After all you never signed any contract with them. Not even via Docusign (which wouldn’t even be binding in my country, lol… worthless).
Yes they can send you a bill, but there’s always room for more toilet paper. Or just send them a fantasy bill back yourself 🤷
Well, at least you have additional protections in your country.
For those in the U.S. this document is binding enough (at least according to this lawyer: https://youtu.be/fOTuIhOWFXU?t=330).
Edit: As with anything I’m sure you could argue in court that you shouldn’t be held responsible for their legal bills and hopefully you would win, but that would still require you to go to court over the matter.
Sarah Silverman sues OpenAl for copyright infringement: https://lemmy. ml/post/1905056
How is this applicable? A copyright lawsuit isn’t bound by the TOS or any other document produced by the infringer. If this were the case, I could just write my own get out of jail free cards.
Hypothetical on this one, if the reason they decided to look into this was because they saw someone’s post on social media about ChatGPT being able to reproduce parts of some copyrighted work, ChatGPT could bill the user for publishing that info.
It doesn’t even have to be the sole reason for them to look into it. Technically they could bill anyone who posted content if that content wound up being used as evidence against OpenAI in any way (as I understand it, that’s where the “relating to your use of the Services” part could be used).
But if I have misunderstood something about this hypothetical, please feel free to correct me.
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This is section 7c in their TOS. I watched the video but still confused.
Does this essentially set a cap of
max(user paid, 100)that OpenAI has to pay to users if there’s any damage?Or is that the cap that users pay to OpenAI when there’s a lawsuit against OpenAI and their lawyers send users the bill?
Well you see
They can write whatever the fuck they want in those terms and it might look legally binding
And it may well be until someone challenges it
Tried to read this post twice- what are you telling me to be aware of / stop doing?
If I’m understanding this correctly, whatever chatgpt responds to your queries, you can be held liable for if any damaging content is produced.
It makes sense, right?
They produced a language model. It does nothing more than predict the next word. It will lie all the time, that’s part of how it works. It makes stuff up from the input it gets.
If you post that stuff online and it contains lies about people and you didn’t check it, you absolutely should be liable for that. I don’t see a problem with that.
Right, but what about the case where you post something that doesn’t contain lies at all?
What if ChatGPT outputs something that a certain former president gets offended by and he decides to sue OpenAI?
According to their ToS it doesn’t matter if it’s a “frivolous lawsuit”. If OpenAI had to pay any attorney fees just to respond to some ridiculous lawsuit, they could still bill you for those costs.
I don’t think it makes sense at that point at all.
Of course the vast majority of users would never have to worry about this, but it’s still something to be aware of.
That’s gotta be more to cover their ass then to come after you. Unless you use it’s generated text to sue the company I don’t think they would ever try to sue their users or else everyone would stop using the platform and Microsoft would have a huge PR problem and their stock price would drop. It just doesn’t logically make sense for them to do that, unless they were sued by you for the content produced by your inputs.
I am not a lawyer and the implications are larger than this.
Do not post, share, trade, or otherwise make public any ChatGPT output from your sessions until you fact verify that data to the extent that you’re willing to take legal responsibility for it. In this case, especially causing a lawsuit against OpenAI. Because when that happens, you will foot the bill.
I am not a lawyer.
Hi, I’m a lawyer. While I work in a different area of law and therefore can’t speak too in depth about this with certainty, if their terms are as enforceable as the linked articles seem to indicate, then yes, this is good advice.
As always with the law, things may vary by jurisdiction. If you have specific questions, contact a lawyer in your area.
Basically just be careful if you like to post images/text taken straight from ChatGPT.
If you post anything that someone gets offended about and decides to sue ChatGPT (OpenAI) over it, they can turn around and bill you for those legal costs (whether they win the lawsuit or not).
Or if you post a screenshot that proves that you can get ChatGPT to write out the entire first chapter of some copyright protected book…
I’ve also seen people who like to “jailbreak” ChatGPT and then post things like tricking ChatGPT into giving instructions on how to make certain illegal devices and such. Again, just be careful and think if someone could sue the makers of ChatGPT and they include your social media post in the lawsuit, you have already agreed to pay their legal costs for that lawsuit.
Only because they write something in their shitty corporate document doesn’t mean that it holds up later. Sure they can write, that you sold your soul to them, but that doesn’t mean that it is binding at all.
After all you never signed any contract with them. Not even via Docusign (which wouldn’t even be binding in my country, lol… worthless).
Yes they can send you a bill, but there’s always room for more toilet paper. Or just send them a fantasy bill back yourself 🤷
Well, at least you have additional protections in your country. For those in the U.S. this document is binding enough (at least according to this lawyer: https://youtu.be/fOTuIhOWFXU?t=330).
Edit: As with anything I’m sure you could argue in court that you shouldn’t be held responsible for their legal bills and hopefully you would win, but that would still require you to go to court over the matter.
How is this applicable? A copyright lawsuit isn’t bound by the TOS or any other document produced by the infringer. If this were the case, I could just write my own get out of jail free cards.
Hypothetical on this one, if the reason they decided to look into this was because they saw someone’s post on social media about ChatGPT being able to reproduce parts of some copyrighted work, ChatGPT could bill the user for publishing that info.
It doesn’t even have to be the sole reason for them to look into it. Technically they could bill anyone who posted content if that content wound up being used as evidence against OpenAI in any way (as I understand it, that’s where the “relating to your use of the Services” part could be used).
But if I have misunderstood something about this hypothetical, please feel free to correct me.