A newly-proposed class action lawsuit alleges that Apple has “marked up its iCloud prices to the point where the service...
Apple hit with class action lawsuit over iCloud’s 5GB limit::A newly-proposed class action lawsuit alleges that Apple has “marked up its iCloud prices to the point where the service…
Sometimes it’s hard to feel sorry for Apple users given the amount of repeated nickeling and diming they go through,yet make excuses for (as seen in the comments). Definitely shades of battered woman syndrome
As far as I know, Android also doesn’t give you the option to back up system and app data to something else than Google Drive. LineageOS gives you that option but they implemented that themselves.
The problem stated in the lawsuit is that you can’t use alternative backup providers on iOS, while you (presumably?) can on Android. Apple has no real competition in the device backup space, as they prevent third-parties from providing an equivalent service. (Notice the word equivalent - iTunes backups don’t count.) It’s a perfectly reasonable complaint IMO.
I say this as someone who prefers iCloud for its encryption features.
That’s reasonable. I think iOS/iPadOS overall are in dire need of being more open. iPad especially since they’re at the point where they could largely replace laptops but are hamstrung by being so locked down. I still think it’s obnoxious to compare people with different opinions to domestic abuse victims
Wait, really? I haven’t checked that in a couple years but my Home Assistant backups are broken because out of Google drive space and it shouldn’t use anywhere near that amount - Damn, now I’m going to have to actually check it out
Edit: it was full of random crap. Good news it was trivial to clear space but now i have to figure out why some of that was there and whether is have copies
Apple does let you use any cloud backup service you want… just not for the OS and app preference files. Those go to iCloud, but those are also highly unlikely to hit 5gb.
When you cloud restore with your media backed up to something like Dropbox, this is what happens.
After logging into iCloud, iOS checks iCloud for the apps you had installed, and it downloads the latest compatible versions from the store. Then, iOS pulls down OS and app preferences from iCloud
Launch Dropbox, or similar, to pull down your backed up media and files.
Apple gets no money for storage, but Dropbox gets a check.
They need to make it your choice (of compliant options where compliant != neutering for the USgovernment) for the default background running option tho, you’re not defending the hero we deserve, only what is forced by their lax regulation
Right now, Apple selectively degrades the experience of effortless syncing thru any other modality than its in-house inferior option. That is wrong and monopolistic and antitrust-worthy action now that the technology is ubiquitous and Applehas the tools to ensure its done consistent with the Apple walled garden gestalt. A gated garden would not be so bad, hell, everybody has one basically
I can’t wait till we get all the Europe stuff! And I’m all in on Apple, i just don’t gratuitously defend their nonsense (upvoted by the way, im not the naysayer. You raise an important defense that needs to be dismantled)
I hate this the most about my iPhone. I’m currently on my 3rd Apple device, but you don’t get more storage every time you buy one. So if you have an iPhone and an iPad you’re still stuck with 5gb, and it’s shared with you backups and your cloud-based apps like photo sync, message sync. That 5gb is gone pretty quick.
It’s easy enough to sync photos elsewhere, but not messages. So the $1/mo storage upgrade becomes really attractive.
I hope this opens up their backup service but I doubt it.
It does–if you are signed in to all locations and have the sync settings turned on across them all, then all data will be uploaded. But if you have more photos across all devices than your plan will allow for upload, then anything extra will no longer upload unless you pay for additional space.
You don’t need to backup messages to iCloud for it to sync across devices. I have multiple iPhones and iPads on one account and don’t come across this issue because I backup photos to my laptop.
Your Gmail sits on Google’s servers, just like IMAP email accounts. If you go to a brand new device and log in with your gmail account info, it will download from Google.
This is a stupid lawsuit. You can back up your phone locally using iTunes and Finder and the new device app on Windows. You can also back it up using third party software. No one is forcing you to use iCloud.
I’ve always wondered whether I should bother about doing this. I assumed if I read the article in a Private Browser, no cookies are stored, and therefore none of my information is tracked?
It takes away all the cookie shit and you can adjust the background to be light, dark, or sepia and manipulate the actual appearence of the text in whatever way is most pleasing for you and you can set it to default to that on all non-search engine pages+easily untoggle it if you need the original appearence
It really cleans it up but I love the making everything dark for night time. Nothing i hate more than bright white backgrounds to articles or pages I wanna read at night without screwing my sleep
What are the privacy deets for Samsung Browser tho. I try to go for the check mark (No data collected) but thats AppStore stuff. Look into it if you can, I suspect they collect your content/searches and tie it to you
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Sometimes it’s hard to feel sorry for Apple users given the amount of repeated nickeling and diming they go through,yet make excuses for (as seen in the comments). Definitely shades of battered woman syndrome
Does android offer free storage for cloud backups?
As far as I know, Android also doesn’t give you the option to back up system and app data to something else than Google Drive. LineageOS gives you that option but they implemented that themselves.
Drive is 15 GB
So marginally better, thought so
3x as much is “marginally better.” What world do you Apple zealots live in?
15gb ain’t much either, and drive works on iOS to boot. So I guess earth?
Edit: Google Drive free tier: 15gb Google Drive 100gb: $2/month iCloud free tier: 5gb iCloud 50gb: $1/month
Wow, what a radical difference in offerings. I am definitely just like a battered woman
The problem stated in the lawsuit is that you can’t use alternative backup providers on iOS, while you (presumably?) can on Android. Apple has no real competition in the device backup space, as they prevent third-parties from providing an equivalent service. (Notice the word equivalent - iTunes backups don’t count.) It’s a perfectly reasonable complaint IMO.
I say this as someone who prefers iCloud for its encryption features.
That’s reasonable. I think iOS/iPadOS overall are in dire need of being more open. iPad especially since they’re at the point where they could largely replace laptops but are hamstrung by being so locked down. I still think it’s obnoxious to compare people with different opinions to domestic abuse victims
Wait, really? I haven’t checked that in a couple years but my Home Assistant backups are broken because out of Google drive space and it shouldn’t use anywhere near that amount - Damn, now I’m going to have to actually check it out
Edit: it was full of random crap. Good news it was trivial to clear space but now i have to figure out why some of that was there and whether is have copies
Ahh, a fellow HA user spotted in the wild!
Can’t iPhone users use Drive?
Apple does let you use any cloud backup service you want… just not for the OS and app preference files. Those go to iCloud, but those are also highly unlikely to hit 5gb.
When you cloud restore with your media backed up to something like Dropbox, this is what happens.
After logging into iCloud, iOS checks iCloud for the apps you had installed, and it downloads the latest compatible versions from the store. Then, iOS pulls down OS and app preferences from iCloud
Launch Dropbox, or similar, to pull down your backed up media and files.
Apple gets no money for storage, but Dropbox gets a check.
After ten years, I hit 5GB. I upgraded to 200GB.
For $3/month
There are many, many reasons to bash the shit out of Apple until you’re left with applesauce, and this is the one they chose?
Whatever, guys…
They need to make it your choice (of compliant options where compliant != neutering for the USgovernment) for the default background running option tho, you’re not defending the hero we deserve, only what is forced by their lax regulation
Right now, Apple selectively degrades the experience of effortless syncing thru any other modality than its in-house inferior option. That is wrong and monopolistic and antitrust-worthy action now that the technology is ubiquitous and Applehas the tools to ensure its done consistent with the Apple walled garden gestalt. A gated garden would not be so bad, hell, everybody has one basically
I can’t wait till we get all the Europe stuff! And I’m all in on Apple, i just don’t gratuitously defend their nonsense (upvoted by the way, im not the naysayer. You raise an important defense that needs to be dismantled)
Holy shit. Is… is that a fucken rational thinker?
on the Internet‽
The Obstacle is the Way bro
Honestly + selfishly, it makes more sense to uvote for visibillity if you have a child comment you want to be seen so you can
Its just straightup the most correct approach in my view
I hate this the most about my iPhone. I’m currently on my 3rd Apple device, but you don’t get more storage every time you buy one. So if you have an iPhone and an iPad you’re still stuck with 5gb, and it’s shared with you backups and your cloud-based apps like photo sync, message sync. That 5gb is gone pretty quick.
It’s easy enough to sync photos elsewhere, but not messages. So the $1/mo storage upgrade becomes really attractive.
I hope this opens up their backup service but I doubt it.
It’s shared across the account, the devices don’t matter. That’s what makes it seamless.
My issue is that you don’t get more space for each active device you add to the account.
And the point is that the data you share across them is identical. Additional devices does not create additional data, your usage of them does.
So your live data doesn’t get saved in the device backup?
It does–if you are signed in to all locations and have the sync settings turned on across them all, then all data will be uploaded. But if you have more photos across all devices than your plan will allow for upload, then anything extra will no longer upload unless you pay for additional space.
Apple gives you free iCloud storage to back up your phone when you get a new device.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/104980
You can also sync phone to phone when upgrading as part of the setup assistant, without needing iCloud storage.
You don’t get “more” storage though. And if you have even just one iPad your storage is gone really quick between the two devices.
You don’t need to backup messages to iCloud for it to sync across devices. I have multiple iPhones and iPads on one account and don’t come across this issue because I backup photos to my laptop.
Your messages share the 5gb space with the backups.
Yes, they do. If you set it up that way to store messages on the cloud.
Even Google gives you three times that.
Is it shared with gmail? Or will it be separate? Because my gmail is always 14gb+ full.
Unfortunately it’s shared.
Your Gmail sits on Google’s servers, just like IMAP email accounts. If you go to a brand new device and log in with your gmail account info, it will download from Google.
So they seem to be arguing that Apple isn’t spending enough money to offer a free service it never had to offer because reasons.
What!? the company that weaponizes vendor-lockin the most is overcharging for their service!?!?!
Meh, they let you use whatever service you want, just not for some of the OS and app preference files - which are well under 5gb.
If you want to back up your media and docs to Dropbox, go for it.
I could join the 5GB club as well - after maybe ten years in the Apple ecosystem, my iPhone backup is 4.1GB.
Separately I have 28GB photos that could be synched to any service
I buy 2TB iCloud because I have multiple devices, share the space with a family of four, and use it for cloud storage from my PC
This is a stupid lawsuit. You can back up your phone locally using iTunes and Finder and the new device app on Windows. You can also back it up using third party software. No one is forcing you to use iCloud.
You get a free computer with purchase of an iPhone? Neat!
What’s a “computer”?
Y’all realize that paying for a backup device has been a thing since the dawn of computing, right?
It doesn’t matter if the hard drive is in my house, or in a server farm. Someone is going to sell me the space.
I was just trying to point out that not everyone has a computer they can “just” backup to.
You get a free backup to the cloud with purchase of a computer? Neat!
You get a free external backup drive with the purchase of a computer? Neat!
How are you guys reading this article? It took me 5-10mins of unchecking each cookie vendor one by one before I gave up.
Modern internet is a shit show
I’ve always wondered whether I should bother about doing this. I assumed if I read the article in a Private Browser, no cookies are stored, and therefore none of my information is tracked?
I’m not quite sure if they’re allowed to use your IP to index your history or not. If you use private browser and VPN you’ll be fine.
I’ve just never worked out how to easily open private browsers from my mobile sync client
The ddg browser on my phone just kinda does it automatically
Thanks, I just installed it and now I can use the share button to load the article in ddg.
I’ll consider switching to it as my default browser if it doesn’t let me down over the coming weeks.
Honestly thanks for sharing with your comment
You’re welcome. I’ve used it for a long time without issues… take a look at the app tracking protection in the settings too. Works well
One thing Apple device browsers get so right is ReadingMode. Brave and Orion have the best in my opinion but that list is not exhaustive
What’s good about Apple device browsers reading mode compared to others?
It takes away all the cookie shit and you can adjust the background to be light, dark, or sepia and manipulate the actual appearence of the text in whatever way is most pleasing for you and you can set it to default to that on all non-search engine pages+easily untoggle it if you need the original appearence
It really cleans it up but I love the making everything dark for night time. Nothing i hate more than bright white backgrounds to articles or pages I wanna read at night without screwing my sleep
Sounds similar to what’s available for me on Samsung Browser. I thought these would’ve been default options on all browsers!
What are the privacy deets for Samsung Browser tho. I try to go for the check mark (No data collected) but thats AppStore stuff. Look into it if you can, I suspect they collect your content/searches and tie it to you
If so, i hope ur behaving u messy beast ;)
I hope this forces their hand in having to allow other actual e2e cloud services, its legititmately bullshit we even need to have this convo :(
I’d love to use my 2TB iCloud with my Android devices