In an amended SEC filing ahead of its IPO, Reddit warned potential investors that "...on March 18, 2024, Nokia Technologies sent us a letter indicating they believed that Reddit infringes certain of their patents. We will evaluate their claims." Nokia, of course, leaned into, ahem, patent licensing and networking equipment as its business many years ago, and reminded people of it with last year’s logo redesign. Companies paying Nokia licensing fees include HTC, Apple, and more recently, Oppo.
Both sides suck here but I have to side with Reddit over patent trolls. Nokia, what a disgrace you are these days if you have to resort to patent trolling. You used to be cool. That said, if this hurts Reddit’s IPO then I’ll be happy anyways.
I’m not rushing to pick a side until someone posts the actual patient claim. Both of these parties suck, and I’m not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.
It’s not mentioned in the filing, so we can only speculate.
…on March 18, 2024, Nokia Technologies sent us a letter indicating they believed that Reddit infringes certain of their patents. We will evaluate their claims.
It does kind of feel like the logo of a consultancy/legal/finance group to me. But I could also imagine this looking decent when embossed onto a phone…
Why are we mad about an active tech company protecting their IP?
Patent trolls buy up more patents than any company could ever be able to use in actual products in order to make money sueing everyone under the sun or striking extortionate licensing deals.
Nokia Oyj is the part of Nokia that Microsoft didn’t buy, and it is a telecom company that does its own RnD to this day, and is perfectly open to doing reasonable licensing deals. How tf does this make them a patent troll, unless this is over something dumb and frivolous, which we don’t know yet?
And even back when Microsoft bought the mobile phone operations the company making the phones was Microsoft Mobile and Microsoft only leased the brand name from Nokia to use on their mobile phones for 10 years - same as with HMD Global today.
I’ll be ready to flip the second it comes out if this suit is BS.
But I’m initially siding with Nokia Oyj here because they have a decent track record of actually doing the legwork on their tech, advancing the science, and sharing that with the industry through sane licensing.
Also the company is one of the success stories of my country, so maybe I’m biased, but then that hasn’t stopped me from hating exploitative pieces of shit like Rovio and Supercell.
I’m just going to wait until I hear the details of the suit. At this point I don’t really understand the point of picking a side when we have almost no information.
These comments are kind of silly. There are 0 details about the patient claim, but a bunch of people are picking sides based on how they feel about a brand name. Classic Lemmy.
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Both sides suck here but I have to side with Reddit over patent trolls. Nokia, what a disgrace you are these days if you have to resort to patent trolling. You used to be cool. That said, if this hurts Reddit’s IPO then I’ll be happy anyways.
There’s a difference between patent trolling and protecting their patents.
Provided Nokia just won a case, it’s extremely doubtful they would fall into the “troll” catagory.
Why do you think they’ve become a disgrace?
Side with Reddit about what? We don’t even know what the lawsuit is about.
I’m not rushing to pick a side until someone posts the actual patient claim. Both of these parties suck, and I’m not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.
What are the patents?
It’s not mentioned in the filing, so we can only speculate.
That’s all we’ve got to go on.
Good question.
Can’t seem to find that anywhere, but there’s a totally organic and not at all sus post on Reddit calling Nokia patent trolls.
How does their current logo “remind” is about their focus on patent licensing and telecom…?
Seems like they switched to this logo:
It does kind of feel like the logo of a consultancy/legal/finance group to me. But I could also imagine this looking decent when embossed onto a phone…
Their logo is trash, but it’s still so much better than the damned “KNI” (KIA) logo I see all around town.
Wow, I did not know, they changed their logo. Yeah, not a fan…
Why are we mad about an active tech company protecting their IP?
Patent trolls buy up more patents than any company could ever be able to use in actual products in order to make money sueing everyone under the sun or striking extortionate licensing deals.
Nokia Oyj is the part of Nokia that Microsoft didn’t buy, and it is a telecom company that does its own RnD to this day, and is perfectly open to doing reasonable licensing deals. How tf does this make them a patent troll, unless this is over something dumb and frivolous, which we don’t know yet?
Nokia is a husk of a former tech company that was gutted by Microsoft for anti competitive reasons and now used as a patent troll arm of Microsoft.
https://slidebean.com/story/microsoft-nokia-acquisition
That’s not even close to the full story, and partly straight up incorrect.
They sold their mobile branch. The brand of which eventually ended up with HMD global, which now makes Nokia branded phones.
Nokia Oyj is a telecom RnD and infrastructure company, as in the hardware and standards behind wireless communication tech. They never stopped.
They essentially pulled an IBM and exited the consumer market, but they never ceased operation, or sold off their main business.
Microsoft has had absolutely nothing to do with Nokia Oyj since buying their consumer handset branch off them.
And even back when Microsoft bought the mobile phone operations the company making the phones was Microsoft Mobile and Microsoft only leased the brand name from Nokia to use on their mobile phones for 10 years - same as with HMD Global today.
We don’t even know what the suit is about, so I don’t know how anyone can pick a side about anything.
I’ll be ready to flip the second it comes out if this suit is BS.
But I’m initially siding with Nokia Oyj here because they have a decent track record of actually doing the legwork on their tech, advancing the science, and sharing that with the industry through sane licensing.
Also the company is one of the success stories of my country, so maybe I’m biased, but then that hasn’t stopped me from hating exploitative pieces of shit like Rovio and Supercell.
I’m just going to wait until I hear the details of the suit. At this point I don’t really understand the point of picking a side when we have almost no information.
Fair enough. And I’m absolutely far more interested in convincing people to just not jump to “patent troll” with this little to go on.
And preferably not spreading misinfo like “nokia is just a microsoft puppet” when this is about the part of the company that MS never even acquired.
These comments are kind of silly. There are 0 details about the patient claim, but a bunch of people are picking sides based on how they feel about a brand name. Classic Lemmy.
Classic?
Classic.
That ‘article’ is garbage. The headline is more imformative than the actual article.
Who puts "ahem, in an informational article?
Also how is “patent licensing” a part their new buisness. They submit patents for whatever they’re doing just like everyone else.
Difference is most companies just want to hold onto the patent to prevent competition