What Neuralink Is Missing
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It turns out that connecting brains with computers is the easy part.
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Are there even evidence that neuralink is real? All I saw was statements from Musk and its company.

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Find an archived version or just don’t post paywalled articles. It’s true that most people don’t read the article before commenting and just go by the headline. But we can’t have discussion the argument of the article if we can’t read it.

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Go with 12ft dot io. Works with this one alright. I don’t think it worked with the Nyt tho.

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Firefox’s reader gets around this one, it doesn’t always work though.

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Isn’t that still against Lemmy.world policy?

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Not at all as far as I’m aware. There’s no mention of paywalled content, or archive links, anywhere in the TOS or in any other guideline or policy. I’d guess that it would be against rules to post an article or content that must be explicitly purchased, with a subscription, for example. As it would count as linking to piracy. But in this specific case, where the article is walled by making an account, it’s fine in my opinion. It’s a gray area in the worst case. This is why most communities encourage posters to post a freely available article when posting news. And if it’s something inaccessible without paying for it, just don’t post it at all, or make a text post or post an article about the thing. I mean, piped links are encouraged, and that’s a similar thing.

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It was an announcement a few months back, iirc. They also told people to stop posting entire articles in the comments and post itself (which I used to do)

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An announcement where, by whom?

Just scrolled all the way the whole last years of the lemmyworld announcements community and there’s nothing on it.

Are you sure you’re not confusing a specific community policy with the instance policy? I can see how posting an entire article in the post body or comment could be problematic, as it could be misconstrued as copyright infringement. But removing ads and circumventing user data mining is an entirely different ethics discussion.

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After reading the article it makes me think how much of human advancement has been in the service of vice. Home video recorders took off when home video porn became available. Both high speed NASCAR auto racing and high performance jet boats owe their existence to illegal liquor and cigarette smuggling. The internet is another beneficiary of ubiquitous porn.

While fraught with ethical questions, there’s a vice based path for Neuralink link BCI technology: Replacement for narcotics.

Instead of the difficult task of replacing sight, motor function, or other complicated bi-directional systems, how hard would it be to simply electrically stimulate dopamine release in the brain? At its extreme, you press a button and you feel like you’ve taken a huge dose of cocaine or heroin except without all of the nasty cardiac or digestive system impacts. Also, the effects stop in the matter of minutes, and at the command of the user. No more driving while intoxicated. You just turn off the electrical current simulating the intoxicant and you have your full facilities available to you.

Should these companies be developing their technology as drug and alcohol addiction recovery systems?

This path would be without problems of its own. This technology itself would be crazy crazy additive! This is explore in fiction including by Sci-Fi author Larry Niven. He calls his a droud, and describes some of the downsides of a society that could choose to feel good whenever they want with no monetary cost or limits

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Instead of the difficult task of replacing sight, motor function, or other complicated bi-directional systems, how hard would it be to simply electrically stimulate dopamine release in the brain? At its extreme, you press a button and you feel like you’ve taken a huge dose of cocaine or heroin

Easy. Been done lots of times with rats and I imagine that must be hard with those tiny brains. Brain surgery on humans must be much easier, but they are not allowed to press their own buttons. You know, ethics.

Rats will perform lever-pressing at rates of several thousand responses per hour for days in exchange for direct electrical stimulation of the lateral hypothalamus. Multiple studies have demonstrated that rats will perform reinforced behaviors at the exclusion of all other behaviors. Experiments have shown rats will forgo food to the point of starvation in exchange for brain stimulation or intravenous cocaine when both food and stimulation are offered concurrently for a limited time each day. Rats will also cross electrified grids to press a lever, and they are willing to withstand higher levels of shock to obtain electrical stimulation than to obtain food.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward

The lesson here is that only the pursuit of porn drives ethical, sustainable progress.

Simulated acid high? SIGN ME UP.

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Porn and the military are sadly the driving force of progress… also, the only places still kept clean from adds.

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What you readily described has, as a matter of fact, applications in medicine in thr field of epylexia ande depression treatements, currently in the form of complex electrical apparatus linked to specific areas of the brain. It is however quite an impactful surgical operation, and it requires a diagnosis for a hard to treat series of symptoms that cannot be dealt with otherwise. It is not exactly that kind of stimulation, more like a “turn on - off” certain neural pathways via electrostimulation, but it is a thing.

would neuarlink do that?

I don’t think so as it is mostly a general purpose interface that has its main purpose in human - implant (machine) interaction. But there is a way to stimulate a specific nerve in such a way that you can turn into the personification of horniness itself, I haven’t heard of that in a while tho.

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