Which pollutes more: a new SUV or a 10-year-old conventional vehicle?
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The environmental organization Possible has carried out a comparison between the two options and the results are shocking
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@mob@sopuli.xyz
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My Ford Taurus isn’t going to get into the Uintas or Wasatch range. Getting rid of my SUV will really hurt my wifes ability to release rehabilitated animals.

But, I don’t want to be a stupid fucker. What should I get after I get rid of my SUV?

Even an older model SUV like a Honda CRV will take up a lot less space than its modern counterpart. Station wagons can be sexy too if that’s your style.

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Don’t let me start about my station wagon. I can get them back seats perfectly horizontal connecting the back space with middle and it makes comfy double bed. Not to mention that under the floor there are tons of storage spaces to keep all the tools and food or whatever out of the way.

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Emissions make sense to me, but does conserving space actually matter?

@cosmo@lemmy.world
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In cities it does. Here where I live there’s being made a point of existing parking spaces being too narrow for modern cars. They are so much wider these days.

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People driving heavy terrain in wilderness around here use small jeep like cars. Even US army used use them back in the day before monster trucks became a thing.
Edit: I meant small variants. Not the big size ones.

@mob@sopuli.xyz
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A jeep is definitely a SUV

Depends on which model you’re talking about.

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But it’s not huge ass truck like vehicle. One is parked right next to mu European sized car and Jeep’s smaller overall even if bit higher due to being offroad vehicle.

Edit: I mean small jeeps. Not their big variants.

I think point of critique of modern SUV usage is about their unnecessary big size and weight which leads to space wasting and higher fuel consumption which has its own negatives.

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A station wagon is easier for moving animals, more space than a small SUV - it’s lower to the ground (huge plus if you have to lift them in, easier for them if you are leading them up a portable ramp).

The trade off is you can’t do soft sand, cross deeper streams etc, but IMO animals don’t need to be released far off track, to me it’s worth the trade off.

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While parent is extreme and minimizes that some people have legitimate needs… You do raise another interesting point… You have an SUV and a Fullsize Sedan. I’m sure you have your reasons but it’s an amusing anecdote.

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yeah. turns out animal rehibition isn’t very profitable and I wasn’t really expecting to end up in a responsible/respectable life. We bought what we could afford.

I take my electric skateboard to school when I can(weather permitting) , but I will choose shitty emissions for a 10-50 mile drive to save an animals life over letting it die or live in a cage. and honestly, I am only going to school to get money to expand the rehabilitation… I will try to get a vehicle that is better for the environment when I can afford it though.

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What about BEV SUVs?

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It comes from the same ball of gases in the sky that you apparently stared at for too long.

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GreenM
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People say everything is possible ? Musk, the step father of the modern EVs also said electricity would be free back in the day. Something’s fishy around here.

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GreenM
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Makes you feel at home, doesn’t it?

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GreenM
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Sounds comfy

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I can make my own… Do you make your own gas?

GreenM
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I could, it’s just a chemical. I watched people making fuel from plastic waste . Why?

The EV fans tip toe around the fact that not only do they suck the life out of the electric grid, which they fight every step of the way when power co’s want to produce more power , especially nuclear which is as clean as it gets, but that the lithium batteries are incredibly toxic and can’t be recycled. Same goes for the off the chart levels of toxicity that comes from solar panels which dont live long.

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I have an SUV thst weighs 2,000 pounds and has a 1.3 liter engine, it seats two, you need to stop being a dumbass and sell your gas guzzling car because it absolutely has more wasted seats and a larger engine.

What suv is that?

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It’s a crossover. Mine has an even smaller engine.

Ok but, what make and model exactly?

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Kona 1 liter

Why not get the i30 instead though? They’re the same car but the Kona gets less gas milage and is worse for the environment?

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Emission NEDC CO₂, Combined 117 g/km

Fuel Consumption NEDC City 6 l/100km Highway 4.7 l/100km Combined 5.2 l/100km

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Emission NEDC CO₂, Combined 117 g/km

Fuel Consumption NEDC City 5.4 l/100km Highway 4 l/100km Combined 4.5 l/100km

Kona info

i30 info

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Why not the i20? Why not the i10? Why not walking?

I like the Kona so I bought it. Now I have it and I like it so I’ll keep having it.

The whole point of this post is how cars today emit more Co2 than they did ten years ago. I’m just pointing out that people like you are the reason this is true. The Kona is literally(not figuratively) an i30 jacked up a couple of inches and now emits more Co2.

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Suzuki Ignis is stupid then?

Kinda yeah, why not buy a hatchback instead? The Suzuki being taller will inherently have more wind resistance, hence worse gas milage and Co2. Unless you absolutely need the extra ground clearance, which very very few do, it’s stupid.

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It is taller but it’s overall still a small car and also very light. It also uses battery to help with acceleration a bit (mild hybrid). I don’t think just because it’s taller it automatically makes it worse. There must be other factors to consider too.

And the reason I personally don’t like hatchbacks is because I’m quite tall and I don’t like sitting low as it feels uncomfortable to me and makes getting in and out of a car pain in the ass… especially when parking near other cars with little space to open the door.

I don’t think just because it’s taller it automatically makes it worse.

It makes it get less mpg/range. Also Less “safe” as the higher center of gravity will mean taking emergency maneuvers “swerving to avoid collision” more difficult and the chance of rollover more likely. These are just facts.

And the reason I personally don’t like hatchbacks is because I’m quite tall and I don’t like sitting low as it feels uncomfortable to me and makes getting in and out of a car pain in the ass…

I’m 6’5 and understand where you’re coming from but, your comfort is basically bad for the environment in a small minute way is my point. I’m sure it’s still more efficient then 99% of cars in general by the sound of it though.

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Who said it’s unessasary? You? Speak for your own needs. What about the utility part? Where are you putting large bulky items? How about many bags of top soil? Trash going to a dump maybe?

It’s amazing how pathetically ignorant you are to think your needs line up with everybody elses. There are FAR more cars on the road than trucks. You’d know that if you actually lived in this country. People buy trucks because we need them, do you think we just LIKE paying more at the pump or something? If I could get away with some hyper fuel efficient thing you don’t think me and my wallet would love that especially at today’s bullshit gas prices?

My wife’s Small SUV/CUV averages a little over 40mpg, you have zero legit complaint against them. They’re also no bigger than cars ever were, they just sit SLIGHTLY higher. You have no clue what you’re talking about.

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In Not just Bikes video on the subject, they’ve demonstrated that the utility portion of small trucks/ SUVs from all the auto makers have been getting weaker over time (loss of cargo space), and yet people still buy them.

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