Some tech workers questioned whether UPS drivers deserved high pay — others jumped in to note the importance of the jobs and harsh working conditions.
Tech workers react to UPS drivers landing a $170,000 a year package with a mixture of anger and admiration::Some tech workers questioned whether UPS drivers deserved high pay — others jumped in to note the importance of the jobs and harsh working conditions.
Yeah, if shipping gets more expensive that means that shipping was cheap because of exploitation of people. I don’t know about anyone else, I personally wouldn’t want that.
Complaining about this is dumb. Someone else’s gain isn’t your loss. Everyone outside the top tier earners should be paid more. Period. I’m happy a union had the national stage representing UPS workers and showed why unions are important.
As a tech worker for over 25 years, I say good for them.
Hell, if my back, knees and neck weren’t already fucked, I’d be damned tempted to start driving for UPS.
I’m already kind of nearing a point where a move away from tech is appealing, but even if I accept the idea of some reduction in pay, I’m at a loss for what I can do that wouldn’t see me losing half my income which would just be more than I’d like to bear.
As a Tech worker I think my job is more sophisticated, but much easier and less stressful than of an UPS driver, and I’m happy they can get a decent wage.
I have worked as a driver helper in the past. This pay makes sense. It’s a demanding job mentally and physically. With the pay being good it also means people work really hard to get that job and really hard to keep it. Congratulations to them.
My housing development is a confusing maze of twisty streets. The street I live on takes multiple turns where another street starts when my street should have gone straight on. My UPS person deserves every penny just for being able to figure out which house is which.
I know someone in his 20s who makes $41 and some change per hour plus $150 per diem…
7 days on and 7 days off…
“Unskilled” coal mine work.
It’s pretty damn insulting to be honest as someone who’s been in the technology industry for over 25 years when I have to deal with companies and recruiters thinking that my labor is somehow worth less than that.
Hell, I made more than that 18 years ago (and I still do as an hourly without the per diem) but now I get dipshit recruiters emailing and calling me constantly thinking I should be willing to work for $25 an hour or even sometimes less.
A UPS driving job is a hell of a lot more difficult and tiring than most tech jobs. It might take less skill, but tech workers don’t have to be out in the heat or freezing cold all day carrying heavy loads and dealing with angry people who blame them for a late package or, worse, get shot at for the crime of being in the neighborhood while black.
It’s a good objective, but it would take a lot to make it happen. It’s significantly more challenging for tech workers to effectively unionize en masse for several reasons:
Tech isn’t monopsonistic, or even close to it; there isn’t a single large employer… even the biggest tech companies employ only a relatively small fraction of the tech workforce. That means separate unionization efforts at thousands of big companies, not at one.
Tech job functions are much more widely varied than “delivery driver”; job responsibilities differ greatly, complexity and education requirements differ greatly, workplace expectations differ greatly … think of the difference between help desk, front end dev, network security engineering, data science and DBA. Collective bargaining is harder the more varied the needs of the collective are.
Job mobility is really high in the tech sector … in other words, tech employees (by and large) have access to many prospective employers (especially with the prevalence of remote work), and tech employers to a wide geographic pool of talent. That means if your San Francisco office seems on the path to unionization, you can shift work to your Chennai office.
It also means that, when the working conditions at a tech company suck, a lot of tech workers can easily jump ship. It’s hard to get a union going when your voters can easily quit and go work someplace nicer, rather than take the more difficult path of staying and trying to force your employer to improve.
Again, I think highly of unions and would really like to see more effective unionization efforts in tech – I just want folks to go into it eyes wide open and intelligently, vs throwing up their hands and saying, “Why don’t tech workers unionize?”
Yea i understand, for reference my father works and worked his whole life in IT, my grandma worked as union rep and I’m interested in both worlds, I get that the struggle is real, the sector is young. Even just 30 years ago there was no IT market, for reference the transport industry is as old as time and yet this historic contract was won in 2023 AD, we just gotta push and organize.
The port workers in Vancouver BC also just landed a good deal after striking for a little bit.
I can imagine that UPS drivers would have a lot of leverage since UPS would suffer massively if they couldn’t deliver packages.
Westjet union also struck a new deal recently. I think it was something like 30% increase, captains making in neighbourhood of 300k.
I’m definitely very interested in joining a labour union for my next job. Tech workers should be looking to unionize.
I’m not sure tech workers could do UPS jobs or UPS workers could do tech jobs. Different types of people. I think some of the frustration could come from the fact that one requires advanced education. Ideally we’re all paid ‘enough’ and then some are paid more/less depending on skill. Tech workers on average might be better, but it’s still not enough in high COLAs to live in comfortable apartment and raise a family without stressing about money.
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As a tech worker, I do almost jack shit and make deep into the six figures. Honestly, I’d be fine if UPS drivers made more than me, good on them.
Frankly, in terms of total compensation, pay them more.
As one of the tech workers: fuck yeah, good for them for negotiating well, and getting what they’re owed.
This is also why most jobs should be unionized
Maybe. I know shipping things via UPS is about to get a lot more expensive, and maybe it should be.
Yeah, if shipping gets more expensive that means that shipping was cheap because of exploitation of people. I don’t know about anyone else, I personally wouldn’t want that.
Exactly. This logic can also be applied to fast food, hard labor, etc…
Complaining about this is dumb. Someone else’s gain isn’t your loss. Everyone outside the top tier earners should be paid more. Period. I’m happy a union had the national stage representing UPS workers and showed why unions are important.
As a tech worker for over 25 years, I say good for them.
Hell, if my back, knees and neck weren’t already fucked, I’d be damned tempted to start driving for UPS.
I’m already kind of nearing a point where a move away from tech is appealing, but even if I accept the idea of some reduction in pay, I’m at a loss for what I can do that wouldn’t see me losing half my income which would just be more than I’d like to bear.
They don’t…and if you aren’t in that range with 2-5 years of experience, you should be exploring opportunities.
The other thing, it looks like their TOC is 170k, not their base pay. So that includes their health, time off, retirement, etc…
Any halfway competent engineer should be making that TOC.
Finally…good for them. If you’re bitching about them making too much, I’m pretty sure they’re hiring.
As a Tech worker I think my job is more sophisticated, but much easier and less stressful than of an UPS driver, and I’m happy they can get a decent wage.
Yea. Theres assholes with shitty opinions in all fields of life.
I have worked as a driver helper in the past. This pay makes sense. It’s a demanding job mentally and physically. With the pay being good it also means people work really hard to get that job and really hard to keep it. Congratulations to them.
My UPS guy deserves every penny of it.
My housing development is a confusing maze of twisty streets. The street I live on takes multiple turns where another street starts when my street should have gone straight on. My UPS person deserves every penny just for being able to figure out which house is which.
I know someone in his 20s who makes $41 and some change per hour plus $150 per diem…
7 days on and 7 days off…
“Unskilled” coal mine work.
It’s pretty damn insulting to be honest as someone who’s been in the technology industry for over 25 years when I have to deal with companies and recruiters thinking that my labor is somehow worth less than that.
Hell, I made more than that 18 years ago (and I still do as an hourly without the per diem) but now I get dipshit recruiters emailing and calling me constantly thinking I should be willing to work for $25 an hour or even sometimes less.
It’s like I’m living in fucking crazy world.
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Hmmm Dev bros, what we do now?
Keep doing our jobs. We get paid well enough to afford the price increase in shipping things via UPS.
Unionize
Grind leetcode!
A UPS driving job is a hell of a lot more difficult and tiring than most tech jobs. It might take less skill, but tech workers don’t have to be out in the heat or freezing cold all day carrying heavy loads and dealing with angry people who blame them for a late package or, worse, get shot at for the crime of being in the neighborhood while black.
This is true. Hence why garbage men are paid quite a lot. Low skill but a very difficult job.
Pushing tens of pounds around in the heat everyday is hard, expecially inside a van without AC.
Let’s just hope tech workers will be smart enough to unionize and organize like the UPS Chads did.
It’s a good objective, but it would take a lot to make it happen. It’s significantly more challenging for tech workers to effectively unionize en masse for several reasons:
Tech isn’t monopsonistic, or even close to it; there isn’t a single large employer… even the biggest tech companies employ only a relatively small fraction of the tech workforce. That means separate unionization efforts at thousands of big companies, not at one.
Tech job functions are much more widely varied than “delivery driver”; job responsibilities differ greatly, complexity and education requirements differ greatly, workplace expectations differ greatly … think of the difference between help desk, front end dev, network security engineering, data science and DBA. Collective bargaining is harder the more varied the needs of the collective are.
Job mobility is really high in the tech sector … in other words, tech employees (by and large) have access to many prospective employers (especially with the prevalence of remote work), and tech employers to a wide geographic pool of talent. That means if your San Francisco office seems on the path to unionization, you can shift work to your Chennai office.
It also means that, when the working conditions at a tech company suck, a lot of tech workers can easily jump ship. It’s hard to get a union going when your voters can easily quit and go work someplace nicer, rather than take the more difficult path of staying and trying to force your employer to improve.
Again, I think highly of unions and would really like to see more effective unionization efforts in tech – I just want folks to go into it eyes wide open and intelligently, vs throwing up their hands and saying, “Why don’t tech workers unionize?”
Yea i understand, for reference my father works and worked his whole life in IT, my grandma worked as union rep and I’m interested in both worlds, I get that the struggle is real, the sector is young. Even just 30 years ago there was no IT market, for reference the transport industry is as old as time and yet this historic contract was won in 2023 AD, we just gotta push and organize.
The port workers in Vancouver BC also just landed a good deal after striking for a little bit.
I can imagine that UPS drivers would have a lot of leverage since UPS would suffer massively if they couldn’t deliver packages.
Westjet union also struck a new deal recently. I think it was something like 30% increase, captains making in neighbourhood of 300k.
I’m definitely very interested in joining a labour union for my next job. Tech workers should be looking to unionize.
I’m not sure tech workers could do UPS jobs or UPS workers could do tech jobs. Different types of people. I think some of the frustration could come from the fact that one requires advanced education. Ideally we’re all paid ‘enough’ and then some are paid more/less depending on skill. Tech workers on average might be better, but it’s still not enough in high COLAs to live in comfortable apartment and raise a family without stressing about money.