The brain implant company Neuralink is pushing a needlessly risky approach, former employees say.

This sounds like the beginning of RoboCop 2. Specifically the part when OCP is trying to make a new RoboCop and the test RoboCops flip out. That’s kinda how I see this playing out.

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Personally I’m a fan of us further researching biological advancements for aiding people. Stuff like genetic engineering is amazing. Like to imagine there’s a future were you could get a yearly shot of anti-cancer bio-bots that basically clean your system. Or a shot for anti-senescence that repairs DNA and resets the clock on your cells

Great! Most people feel the same way!

The problem is that most of us who go into scientific research involving human subjects have about a decade’s worth of increasingly specialized education on a specific subject, have worked in a junior capacity in study design, execution, and analysis, and were generally not billionaires trying to become the first trillionaire.

There’s a reason why academic research works the way it does - because we learned the hard way.

The Tuskegee experiment carried out by the US Public Health Service and the CDC was a program in which black American males were deliberately infected with syphilis and left untreated, so that researchers could watch the profession of the disease. The program didn’t officially end until 1972. Just yesterday I read a news story about a doctor successfully being sued for giving prisoners, without their consent, high doses of Ivermectin to treat Covid, going off of his intuition and the idea that he was qualified to do medical research.

When I was doing this kind of work, I had to go through something called a Human Studies Board. Every university has one. The HSB is a team of senior researchers which will review your proposal to make sure what you’re asking to do is both justified and does no harm to your subjects. If they say “no,” you’re going back to the drawing board. I have had PhD students whose thesis research had to go through multiple revisions because the HSB felt that they weren’t properly controlling for potential harm. Bit there were not billions of dollars on the line, and I didn’t have billions in personal wealth and the ability to influence the HSB.

Another example: About ten or so years ago, Facebook decided to run an experiment in which they promoted sad news stories to some people, and happy news stories to others. They then followed up on those individuals’ posts to see if the former group became noticeably depressed. They did. Facebook did this without the users’ consent, and didn’t make provisions for followup with any human subjects who did become depressed. Some of their subjects may have committed acts of violence or self-harm because of pre-existing psychological states. They have no idea. They just came up with the hypothesis that sad news might make people sad, and ran with it. It was unethical. I do not believe they faced any consequences other than the researchers and the company being universally berated in the academic community.

We are researching brain implants. That’s already underway in universities around the world. Elon wants to move fast and break things to make it go faster, but in this case the “things” are people.

So you have Elon, who is legendary in the industry for thinking he’s very much smarter than he is and pushing his experts into screwing things up. You have his vast wealth as well as a drive to create more wealth (academic researchers very rarely grow wealthy from their discoveries and rarely have wealth as a driving factor).

We are already doing what you’re asking for. I have a colleague at one of the top US university that’s specifically researching telomere repair and other aspects of DNA-focused methods to prevent some of the effects of aging, and I’ve personally done modeling on the molecular biology associated with deregulation and cancer in grad school.

We would be better off if the government would just take Elon’s money and use it to fund actual scientific research.

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another smaller horror of this is: there will 1000% be ads. zero percent chance there will not be ads. even worse, people will be understandably reticent about ads at first, and services will be advertised without ads. then they’ll become subscriptions with ads. just like everything else.

https://twitter.com/todayininfosec/status/1001834788037128193

advertising is cancer.

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then they’ll become subscriptions with ads

The credit card on file has expired, please update your payment information within 72 hours or you will lose access to your brain function.

Every time that this topic comes up, I realize that a lot of Musk lovers will take themselves out of the gene pool here.

Don’t worry, anyone who agrees to try it was obviously brain damaged already, so no real loss.

Downvote Musk spam.

The billionaire doesn’t need your help ensuring him and his businesses stay in the 24 hour news cycle. Don’t be a useful idiot.

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Just try be clear, you’re saying this article that suggests Elon musk will literally physically destroy people’s actual real brains in search of profit after similarly murdering hundreds of monkeys is promoting him?

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Hopefully his own

It’s already been done, and will soon be revealed…

In the middle of his cage match with Mark Zuckerberg, Musk will say “No, I am your father.” After Zuck yells “Noooo!” he’ll follow up with, “Well, just the AI parts.”

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Are there people still naive enough to believe this conman?

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can literally only end in disaster, just like the monkeys that were tortured to death for Musk’s neuralink bullshit (he wants to rush to human testing btw)

Whenever someone brings up a topic like this, I’m always reminded of a book I read as a kid. M.T. Anderson’s Feed

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I notice Elon has never signed up to go up in one of his rockets. I wonder how quickly he’ll sign up to get one of his brain implants?

He wants to merge with ai? He can start by sleeping with mark Zuckerberg.

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Mine is already damaged from hearing about this fucking moron every day.

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