Good luck, but when you are turned down you should recognize the red flag and start looking for your new, better job, leveraging your new title to get paid what it is worth.
The way those those "maybe"s are used, are trying to illustrate their elevated doubt. So like “if 3 independent lawyers all agree I’m not getting fked.”
Sorry to be a contrarian, but sometimes a change in title is a reward in itself, especially if it does not involve a change in job responsibility. In some large corporations, there are pay ranges that are determined by your title. It could be that you are on the higher end of the pay range for your existing role, so it is hard for your supervisor to justify why you should be getting more money. By giving you a dry promotion, it becomes easier to give you a fat raise during the compensation review season. At many companies, there is a certain time of the year to give people promotions and then later on in the year to give raises.
At any company worth its salt, a promotion laterally to a new role could at least come with a nominal adjustment. 0% is absurd, but something nominal like 2% as a “performance incentive” towards new responsibilities would be reasonable.
This is kind of dumb on the part of companies. There’s a great reason to take these: you can market experience in that position when you’re applying for jobs elsewhere. You want to give me SVP title with no raise? I will find someone who will pay happily.
I took a promotion without a pay rise on the agreement it would come when pay was reviewed annually. A shit deal, but one I was prepared to accept on the balance of things. I made clear that if they didn’t follow through then I would immediately demote myself and start looking for a new job.
Pay review came around and it was below inflation. I immediately demoted myself and started looking for a new job. I even requested an internal transfer that was denied (made them too much money where I was).
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn’t understand why the shock…until I learned in due course that most people don’t follow through.
Funnier still, I returned 6 months later (due to a quirk in contracts) at double the salary in the dept I requested a transfer to.
Anyway my point is - do what is to your benefit, always. Companies can play games - as can you.
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn’t understand why the shock…until I learned in due course that most people don’t follow through.
When I was a young adult, I used to work as a lab tech in a plasma center. That involved taking liter bottles of plasma, checking the computer system, filling out paperwork, drawing fluid and taking blood vials to run in a centrifuge, and frequently having to redo paperwork because the barely-trained phlebotomists kept sending them to me covered in drops of blood. Of course, this not only took longer, but meant I had to sanitize the entire area, change PPE, and get shit from the rest of the team for not just taking their biohazard-contaminated paperwork regardless. The room held 50 to 100 donors at a time, and the lab team was just two people.
My immediate boss would routinely just fucking disappear or taking random lunches, even during rushes, leaving me to handle everything on my own. She’d get pissy over small things, and spent time chatting with management in the offices, just hanging out, while I did all the work.
One day, she did something like this and left. I muttered to myself that I was going to quit. I finished the sample I was working on and went into the -40 degree biohazard freezer to store the sample.
Cut to a minute later, I came out of the freezer to see someone from management in the lab, saying “I heard you’re quitting?”
…what?
She said “Fine then. Go ahead and go.” (or something like that.)
I was stunned, but realized that my shitty manager must have heard me on her way out, and fucking told on me. I hadn’t planned on following through, and was mostly just upset at being used, but now?
“Fuck it.” I thought. “I said I’ll do it, so I’ll do it.”
I’m not a good speaker, but I basically stumbled over some short apology like that I would have finished the work day first, but would leave now if she wanted to. Her reply was to get all exasperated, as if she hadn’t expected me to do anything but crumple at being confronted, and she told me “Well, have a nice life then!” as I walked out the door. Never saw her or my shitty manager again. Years later, I did hear my shitty manager had gotten fired or something, for being shit at hear job.
I did, but then the company got bought out, all the people who worked there fired, and I had to move back to a different state with family to avoid being homeless. Kill me…
Life doesnt have to be this way. We can thrive, not barely survive. We just need to keep trying new things till something works while we still have time.
How do we try new things? We do away with First post voting and get an opportunity to vote for people and political parties that have fresh ideas. With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win.
Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is representedby their choices in the voting booth. More peopleinvolvedin the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.
We can do it right now.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
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Hey this basically happened to me. I got a 1 dollar raise offer for moving into a management role. Negotiating a higher pay Tuesday. Wish me luck!
Good luck, but when you are turned down you should recognize the red flag and start looking for your new, better job, leveraging your new title to get paid what it is worth.
That’s the plan… I’m still in school and the jobs pretty flexible so I may stick it out for a bit but it’s worth a shot.
I only take wet promotions
No.
Capitalism 2: Slavery Boogaloo
Except Capitalism 2 is actually quite a fun computer game…
If it’s a promotion to less work, maybe.
Maybe.
That’s not how this works at all.
You keep doing all your current responsibilities. Then you get these more with no additional compensation.
Do it for the exposure!
I’m definitely exposed to the elements because of not owning a home
Is there a risk of more responsibility and more risk in general? Meaning if something goes wrong, you can get fucked easier?
The way those those "maybe"s are used, are trying to illustrate their elevated doubt. So like “if 3 independent lawyers all agree I’m not getting fked.”
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Sorry to be a contrarian, but sometimes a change in title is a reward in itself, especially if it does not involve a change in job responsibility. In some large corporations, there are pay ranges that are determined by your title. It could be that you are on the higher end of the pay range for your existing role, so it is hard for your supervisor to justify why you should be getting more money. By giving you a dry promotion, it becomes easier to give you a fat raise during the compensation review season. At many companies, there is a certain time of the year to give people promotions and then later on in the year to give raises.
At any company worth its salt, a promotion laterally to a new role could at least come with a nominal adjustment. 0% is absurd, but something nominal like 2% as a “performance incentive” towards new responsibilities would be reasonable.
As others have said, you take the ‘promotion’ and IMMEDIATELY start looking for a new job with your new title on your resume.
Corporations are not loyal to you. Do not be loyal to them.
Hahahahaha 😂… Oh you’re serious? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣, fuck no.
Your “meal” doesn’t come with food.
Your “marriage” doesn’t come with love.
Your “car” doesn’t come with an engine
Do the above sound ridiculous?
Now re-read the headline.
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This is kind of dumb on the part of companies. There’s a great reason to take these: you can market experience in that position when you’re applying for jobs elsewhere. You want to give me SVP title with no raise? I will find someone who will pay happily.
I took a promotion without a pay rise on the agreement it would come when pay was reviewed annually. A shit deal, but one I was prepared to accept on the balance of things. I made clear that if they didn’t follow through then I would immediately demote myself and start looking for a new job.
Pay review came around and it was below inflation. I immediately demoted myself and started looking for a new job. I even requested an internal transfer that was denied (made them too much money where I was).
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn’t understand why the shock…until I learned in due course that most people don’t follow through.
Funnier still, I returned 6 months later (due to a quirk in contracts) at double the salary in the dept I requested a transfer to.
Anyway my point is - do what is to your benefit, always. Companies can play games - as can you.
When I was a young adult, I used to work as a lab tech in a plasma center. That involved taking liter bottles of plasma, checking the computer system, filling out paperwork, drawing fluid and taking blood vials to run in a centrifuge, and frequently having to redo paperwork because the barely-trained phlebotomists kept sending them to me covered in drops of blood. Of course, this not only took longer, but meant I had to sanitize the entire area, change PPE, and get shit from the rest of the team for not just taking their biohazard-contaminated paperwork regardless. The room held 50 to 100 donors at a time, and the lab team was just two people.
My immediate boss would routinely just fucking disappear or taking random lunches, even during rushes, leaving me to handle everything on my own. She’d get pissy over small things, and spent time chatting with management in the offices, just hanging out, while I did all the work.
One day, she did something like this and left. I muttered to myself that I was going to quit. I finished the sample I was working on and went into the -40 degree biohazard freezer to store the sample.
Cut to a minute later, I came out of the freezer to see someone from management in the lab, saying “I heard you’re quitting?”
…what?
She said “Fine then. Go ahead and go.” (or something like that.)
I was stunned, but realized that my shitty manager must have heard me on her way out, and fucking told on me. I hadn’t planned on following through, and was mostly just upset at being used, but now?
“Fuck it.” I thought. “I said I’ll do it, so I’ll do it.”
I’m not a good speaker, but I basically stumbled over some short apology like that I would have finished the work day first, but would leave now if she wanted to. Her reply was to get all exasperated, as if she hadn’t expected me to do anything but crumple at being confronted, and she told me “Well, have a nice life then!” as I walked out the door. Never saw her or my shitty manager again. Years later, I did hear my shitty manager had gotten fired or something, for being shit at hear job.
I think I made the right choice.
(Edited for typos, so many typos…)
Never apologize to those people. You def made the right choice. Hope you found something better to devote your time to.
I did, but then the company got bought out, all the people who worked there fired, and I had to move back to a different state with family to avoid being homeless. Kill me…
I want the games to end. Fun time is over
Life doesnt have to be this way. We can thrive, not barely survive. We just need to keep trying new things till something works while we still have time.
How do we try new things? We do away with First post voting and get an opportunity to vote for people and political parties that have fresh ideas. With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win.
Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is representedby their choices in the voting booth. More peopleinvolvedin the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.
We can do it right now.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
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