Next year Windows 10 goes End of Life. Microsoft will undoubtedly push windows 11 hard, but a lot of machines won’t support it leading to a few economic points of interest:
The demand for new machines will be high, driving up cost.
The supply of unsupported machines will be high, driving down the used market.
Do you game at all? Gaming on Linux has made great strides, be be fair, but for a lot of titles you still need to consider a dual boot of some form of Windows, thanks to over the top anti-cheat, DRM, and developer support.
Apex started acting up on pop a year and half ago which drove me back to my windows partition (that I hadn’t seen in almost 18 months).
I don’t know if my issue is: pop, proton, steam, apex, my hardware(bad ram?), flatpaks, the deb, or something else. In my opinion it’s one of the toughest part about Linux gaming–when something goes wrong you arent going to find a ton of help since there is so much fragmentation.
But anyway, I echo your sentiment. Windows is still a necessary evil for a lot of us if you are big into PC gaming.
My machine is 7 years old and runs fine on Windows 11. I don’t understand all these posts about Windows 11 not being supported. TPMs have been a thing for 10+ years now.
Yeah, people are just going to keep using it, they just won’t get updates. That means they will be vulnerable to any exploits that come along afterward but most people don’t care. M$ shot everyone in the foot when they decided to limit windows 11 compatibility.
When windows 7 came out I knew people who stuck with windows xp until they bought a new computer with 10 or 11 on it. The market will get a slight bump from EoL but it isn’t going to force everyone with windows 10 to run out and buy a new computer immediately.
With Valve pumping all that development money and effort into proton, I will finally be able to go full Linux before Windows 10 ends it’s life. I only needed it for gaming, but those days are finally gone! Thanks Valve! _
My job in the a non technical field relies on a laptop to run a label printer, the laptop is ancient and I already had to install revOS on it so that printing labels isn’t horribly bogged down waiting on the laptop to load the simple printer program. Is there anyway that proton would be able to run that program? Probably not because of all lack of driver support, if anyone has any ideas I’m all ear, even just pointing me in a direction would be appreciated!
This sounds interesting. What the hell is RevOS? What kind of label maker is that? Does it have a name? Do you know what kind of cable it’s using to communicate with the pc?
Yeah it’s brand name is kiaro it just uses a usb to connect to the laptop, and revOS is basically just a custom windows install that has as much of the bloatware removed as possible as well as some UI mods to make it feel more like old school windows a little bit. The laptop is from like pre 2010 so Microsoft is slowly killing it’s performance with all the bloatware crap. Kinda ridiculous that they don’t take older hardware performance very seriously on windows the thing is just trying to run simple GUI printer software and it was struggling hard before revOS.
This is what I think one need to do to test if that would work
get latest ubuntu live cd
install bottles
run label printer installer for windows in bottles
check if the program runs at all
If the device is a COM device in windows then I think it should just work out of the box. If not, then the entire device needs to be forwarded using udev rules to wine. Let me know if you want to attempt this :)
Yeah it will drive up cost, because all my future machines will have to be specced to be able to run Linux and Windows (in a KVM in Linux) properly at the same time with good performance.
I do it already at work! Windows runs great in qemu.
There is a few things that we still need to move away from, app wise, that requires windows.
But already I solve 95% of my work tasks in Linux.
We will soon move all terminal computers in our production lines to Foss software and new stations run Ubuntu. Linux runs lighter and cheaper and easier to maintain and update and replace. We are super happy about it.
Yeah that’s great. I only struggle with how to split the hardware up between Linux and Windows, because I’d have to do most (but not all) of the demanding work in Windows, but that’s only a fraction of the time, so then that hardware will be unusable the rest of the time when I’m just using Linux. Ah well, I’ll figure something out, and I’d rather take unaccessible hardware 95% of the time than running Windows all the time.
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IMHO people just won’t give a flying fuck about it. Most people won’t even be aware of it.
They’ll upgrade when they’ll buy a new PC, just as usual.
If MS decides that my hardware is obsolete, I’ll just go full Linux 🤷♂️
Do you game at all? Gaming on Linux has made great strides, be be fair, but for a lot of titles you still need to consider a dual boot of some form of Windows, thanks to over the top anti-cheat, DRM, and developer support.
Something to consider for the gamers out there.
The only titles that don’t work in Linux are the ones with invasive anti-cheat, some multi-player titles.
Virtually all single players game work. I’ve had games that don’t work on Windows due to crashes / performance but run on Linux.
Apex started acting up on pop a year and half ago which drove me back to my windows partition (that I hadn’t seen in almost 18 months).
I don’t know if my issue is: pop, proton, steam, apex, my hardware(bad ram?), flatpaks, the deb, or something else. In my opinion it’s one of the toughest part about Linux gaming–when something goes wrong you arent going to find a ton of help since there is so much fragmentation.
But anyway, I echo your sentiment. Windows is still a necessary evil for a lot of us if you are big into PC gaming.
My machine is 7 years old and runs fine on Windows 11. I don’t understand all these posts about Windows 11 not being supported. TPMs have been a thing for 10+ years now.
Debian + KDE Plasma is all you need. Saying goodbye to Microsoft and their predatory, horrible software is an absolute win.
From the bottom of my tortured soul: fuck Windows.
Yep, got my frenly window-smashing ball and a mug of pale eol ready.
Yeah, people are just going to keep using it, they just won’t get updates. That means they will be vulnerable to any exploits that come along afterward but most people don’t care. M$ shot everyone in the foot when they decided to limit windows 11 compatibility.
When windows 7 came out I knew people who stuck with windows xp until they bought a new computer with 10 or 11 on it. The market will get a slight bump from EoL but it isn’t going to force everyone with windows 10 to run out and buy a new computer immediately.
Your machine needs to be around a decade old to be incompatible I think.
MS shot itself by being so backwards compatible.
The primary requirements are TPM, a security feature.
Cheap good win10 systems, yum. I m ready
Honestly, once a Microsoft OS goes end of life, it becomes a great offline machine to run older software and games.
Guaranteed not to be pissed around with Microsoft updates.
My whole Company is still on 10, seems like we need to somewhat scramble to move over, right?
Microsoft will extend support once the deadline is near, for enterprise customers.
That’s what they’re counting on.
With Valve pumping all that development money and effort into proton, I will finally be able to go full Linux before Windows 10 ends it’s life. I only needed it for gaming, but those days are finally gone! Thanks Valve! _
This is the year of Linux on desktop?
every year is the year of linux on desktop, or so has been claimed.
My job in the a non technical field relies on a laptop to run a label printer, the laptop is ancient and I already had to install revOS on it so that printing labels isn’t horribly bogged down waiting on the laptop to load the simple printer program. Is there anyway that proton would be able to run that program? Probably not because of all lack of driver support, if anyone has any ideas I’m all ear, even just pointing me in a direction would be appreciated!
This sounds interesting. What the hell is RevOS? What kind of label maker is that? Does it have a name? Do you know what kind of cable it’s using to communicate with the pc?
Yeah it’s brand name is kiaro it just uses a usb to connect to the laptop, and revOS is basically just a custom windows install that has as much of the bloatware removed as possible as well as some UI mods to make it feel more like old school windows a little bit. The laptop is from like pre 2010 so Microsoft is slowly killing it’s performance with all the bloatware crap. Kinda ridiculous that they don’t take older hardware performance very seriously on windows the thing is just trying to run simple GUI printer software and it was struggling hard before revOS.
This is what I think one need to do to test if that would work
If the device is a COM device in windows then I think it should just work out of the box. If not, then the entire device needs to be forwarded using udev rules to wine. Let me know if you want to attempt this :)
iirc, Microsoft had some significant investment in Intel.
this is perfectly rational monopolist-cartel-protecting-monopolist-cartel behavior.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microsoft's+investment+in+intel&t=fpas&ia=web
There are people out there still using Windows XP. Not everyone will jump because Microsoft is trying to force their hand
If by people you mean botnets, then yes.
I’m ready to reinstall 7, problem solved.
Yeah it will drive up cost, because all my future machines will have to be specced to be able to run Linux and Windows (in a KVM in Linux) properly at the same time with good performance.
I do it already at work! Windows runs great in qemu.
There is a few things that we still need to move away from, app wise, that requires windows. But already I solve 95% of my work tasks in Linux. We will soon move all terminal computers in our production lines to Foss software and new stations run Ubuntu. Linux runs lighter and cheaper and easier to maintain and update and replace. We are super happy about it.
Best thing is, it will only get better!
Yeah that’s great. I only struggle with how to split the hardware up between Linux and Windows, because I’d have to do most (but not all) of the demanding work in Windows, but that’s only a fraction of the time, so then that hardware will be unusable the rest of the time when I’m just using Linux. Ah well, I’ll figure something out, and I’d rather take unaccessible hardware 95% of the time than running Windows all the time.