Apple unveiled its new iPhone 15 models this week, and some fans say they lack innovation.
Apple’s new iPhone 15 is an underwhelming ‘slap in the face,’ say disappointed fans::Apple unveiled its new iPhone 15 models this week, and some fans say they lack innovation.
My complaint is with the bulky camera island - barely sticks out on my 11 pro, would like to see smg similar in the future (without a loss in wuality of course)
We were there 10 years ago and that’s being generous. Phones have been fucking boring for over a decade.
And that should be a good thing because by now you should be able to pick up a great smartphone for a hundred bucks… except that all these phone companies have to keep the money flowing in so they keep inventing shitty gimmicks and charging thousands of dollars for them.
Or they strip out features to make you use their shitty clouds and subscription services.
Or they keep bloating the OS so much that the hardware can’t keep up - but God forbid you want to ignore their shitty update that brings 100 new emojis! They’re gonna force that shit on you whether you like it or not.
Tech industry is a desert of wasted talent nowadays.
But the little assistants could be so much better.
Like I want to ask Siri to do complicated tasks. Make me a reservation. Find a picture of a cow and send it to Jeff. Change my background to StarCraft. Stuff like that.
Then they shouldn’t release every year and create a new batch of endless ewaste and demand in natural resources mined by exploited labor.
Your talking about where you place the blame: the drug dealer with no regard for human life as long as they are profitable, or the drug user who is weak, sick and often incapable of breaking their unhealthy habit.
What would you add to a flagship smart phone that hasn’t already been done and is actually possible with the technology available?
The solution here is to vote with your wallet and not pay $1000+ for the latest flagship if you can buy a $300 phone from a couple years ago that’s pretty much the same thing.
I’d add a personal assistant that lives up to the promise. It can make reservations for you, find out when your friends are available, navigate phone trees, etc.
Find out when your friends are available might be kind of creepy. Unsavoury people knowing that you’re away for a week and that your house is empty sounds like a dream for criminals, I also wouldn’t want people phoning me saying “I can see you’re free tonight, let’s do something” or a boss saying, “I can see you’re available for overtime this weekend, that’s good!”. It would also depend on people making their schedules available to the cloud and to make them accurate.
The make reservations thing could be interesting as could the phone tree navigating, but I wouldn’t put these ideas on the same scale as capacitive touchscreens, hd screens, front cameras, fast charging, wireless charging, amoled displays, 3/4/5G, bezeless phones, folding screens etc. Do you see what I’m saying?
Because cellphones were just emerging then. The technology was rapidly changing all the time
And when you look back, a ton of the innovations were trying to solve a part of the problem that modern smartphones have solved and then some.
When texting took off, companies tried to innovate better ways than T9 to do that. So you ended up with variations of full keyboards. Slide out, on the face, swivel, etc.
Flip phones and other slide outs tried to maximize screen space before touchscreens were around or good. When the screen is only useable as a screen you have to get creative to still have a keyboard.
When cameras first got out into phones they sucked. So companies put a ton of effort into innovating that. Hell cameras are still one of the main focuses on innovation. It’s just that there are diminishing returns with what you can package in a phone. So it takes a lot more work to get a small improvement.
Beyond that, most of the innovation is under the hood and less noticeable. Improving the chip architecture to be more powerful and more efficient. On device encryption for security. Lidar scanning for 3d modeling. Better integration with the ecosystems.
Beyond those you still have innovations like the foldable, which right now still kinda suck. Just like phones did when they started trying to innovate. Foldables will lead to crazier innovation down the line with the added space. Right now they’re still just trying to get the folding screen decent.
Once a technology matures, you stop seeing massive jumps and innovation becomes evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Another 10-15 years and you may see phones slow down to laptop pace, where a new model is only released every few years and then the jump between generations is bigger by comparison because you’ll have three years of work into it rather than one.
I honestly don’t understand. I’m on my 11 pro at 86% battery. Might just use it for many more years after a battery swap, why would I want to change every year? I love the sharper edges of the new ones, and now also the dynamic island and USB C, but I’m not going waste money when my current phone still can do anything as fast as the day I purchased it.
You know, it’s funny. I’ve never in my life met a Toyota Camry fanboy who was willing to fight me to the death, or at least bitterly argue with me incessantly in the comments, over their allegedly superior choice to buy a Camry or my allegedly inferior choice not to. Damn strange.
Oh, I have. But I hang around the ones that are specific to some brand or car that I already have, so everyone is on the same page. Probably safer that way…
It’s just a phone. Here’s an idea: You don’t have to rush out to pathologically buy the latest thing that Apple makes. You and Apple don’t owe each other shit. If your old phone works, stick with it. And if the new iPhone doesn’t do it for you, just fuckin’ buy something else.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but is portrait mode just a blurred background? Google photos has had the ability to blur backgrounds ( at least on Pixel) on old photos for a fair while.
You’d drop a $1000 for usb-c, round edges, new camera software and case options?
Are you rich?
I’m not saying that it’s a bad phone, but presumably your current phone works just fine, which means you think those features are worth $250 each. I personally think I could use that money for better things elsewhere.
The trade in value is a great point but it still ends up with four new features costing you over $100 each.
Each to their own, I’m sure that some gadget and tech lovers would absolutely be willing to pay that to have the latest and greatest, but I’d argue that the average person would probably rather have the $429.
The average person isn’t buying their phone outright either. They’re getting an upgrade from their cell carrier, and most of them do “free phone on us” as long as you stay under contract for 2 years.
T-Mobile for example (just who I’m with) will give you a $1000 credit towards a 15 pro if you trade in an “eligible device” over 24 months.
Relatively few people are just outright dropping $1000 on a phone.
Eh pretty much all of the reputable YouTubers have said it’s not a huge upgrade, but the new features are very nice to have.
I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say it’s incredible or revolutionary. You’ve gotten the click baiters that say it’s the biggest upgrade ever, but that’s about it.
People say this every year. The vast majority of true innovation is behind us. Why was an article written this year? Is it just because some reporter browsed X and thought, “eh, why not?”. This is not news.
I don’t know if Lemmy is degrading already or if the Apple fan boys and girls have just migrated en masse, but this thread sucks.
Apple sucks, they don’t innovate. They wait for others to test innovation in the market, then they copy it and market as their own.
the people saying stop expecting new features/designs every year are missing the larger point, they shouldn’t be releasing phones on a one year cycle in the first place AND, if they are, it better be for a reason (e.g. New features/designs)
those saying, “not news” are apologist shills - it’s never wrong to call out corporate violent and endless greed.
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As always, Apple “borrows” innovation while others take the actual risk.
I think that we’ve reached the peak of that form factor. Every real change will have to deviate so much that we wouldn’t call it smartphone any more.
My complaint is with the bulky camera island - barely sticks out on my 11 pro, would like to see smg similar in the future (without a loss in wuality of course)
We were there 10 years ago and that’s being generous. Phones have been fucking boring for over a decade.
And that should be a good thing because by now you should be able to pick up a great smartphone for a hundred bucks… except that all these phone companies have to keep the money flowing in so they keep inventing shitty gimmicks and charging thousands of dollars for them.
Or they strip out features to make you use their shitty clouds and subscription services.
Or they keep bloating the OS so much that the hardware can’t keep up - but God forbid you want to ignore their shitty update that brings 100 new emojis! They’re gonna force that shit on you whether you like it or not.
Tech industry is a desert of wasted talent nowadays.
But the little assistants could be so much better.
Like I want to ask Siri to do complicated tasks. Make me a reservation. Find a picture of a cow and send it to Jeff. Change my background to StarCraft. Stuff like that.
What fans. It does this every year. Unfortunately innovation has stagnated. Now it’s just money for exceds
Theyll still buy one.
I don’t know why people expect massive jumps every single year. There’s only so much you can really change year over year at this point.
You don’t need to upgrade every damn year. Apple supports each phone for a minimum of 5-6 years.
Then they shouldn’t release every year and create a new batch of endless ewaste and demand in natural resources mined by exploited labor.
Your talking about where you place the blame: the drug dealer with no regard for human life as long as they are profitable, or the drug user who is weak, sick and often incapable of breaking their unhealthy habit.
Because we had massive jumps from like 1999-2008. Bring those back.
What would you add to a flagship smart phone that hasn’t already been done and is actually possible with the technology available?
The solution here is to vote with your wallet and not pay $1000+ for the latest flagship if you can buy a $300 phone from a couple years ago that’s pretty much the same thing.
I’d add a personal assistant that lives up to the promise. It can make reservations for you, find out when your friends are available, navigate phone trees, etc.
Find out when your friends are available might be kind of creepy. Unsavoury people knowing that you’re away for a week and that your house is empty sounds like a dream for criminals, I also wouldn’t want people phoning me saying “I can see you’re free tonight, let’s do something” or a boss saying, “I can see you’re available for overtime this weekend, that’s good!”. It would also depend on people making their schedules available to the cloud and to make them accurate.
The make reservations thing could be interesting as could the phone tree navigating, but I wouldn’t put these ideas on the same scale as capacitive touchscreens, hd screens, front cameras, fast charging, wireless charging, amoled displays, 3/4/5G, bezeless phones, folding screens etc. Do you see what I’m saying?
Because cellphones were just emerging then. The technology was rapidly changing all the time
And when you look back, a ton of the innovations were trying to solve a part of the problem that modern smartphones have solved and then some.
When texting took off, companies tried to innovate better ways than T9 to do that. So you ended up with variations of full keyboards. Slide out, on the face, swivel, etc.
Flip phones and other slide outs tried to maximize screen space before touchscreens were around or good. When the screen is only useable as a screen you have to get creative to still have a keyboard.
When cameras first got out into phones they sucked. So companies put a ton of effort into innovating that. Hell cameras are still one of the main focuses on innovation. It’s just that there are diminishing returns with what you can package in a phone. So it takes a lot more work to get a small improvement.
Beyond that, most of the innovation is under the hood and less noticeable. Improving the chip architecture to be more powerful and more efficient. On device encryption for security. Lidar scanning for 3d modeling. Better integration with the ecosystems.
Beyond those you still have innovations like the foldable, which right now still kinda suck. Just like phones did when they started trying to innovate. Foldables will lead to crazier innovation down the line with the added space. Right now they’re still just trying to get the folding screen decent.
Once a technology matures, you stop seeing massive jumps and innovation becomes evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Another 10-15 years and you may see phones slow down to laptop pace, where a new model is only released every few years and then the jump between generations is bigger by comparison because you’ll have three years of work into it rather than one.
I honestly don’t understand. I’m on my 11 pro at 86% battery. Might just use it for many more years after a battery swap, why would I want to change every year? I love the sharper edges of the new ones, and now also the dynamic island and USB C, but I’m not going waste money when my current phone still can do anything as fast as the day I purchased it.
Phones are maturing. Are they upset when the new Toyota Camry is only modestly different than last years?
You know, it’s funny. I’ve never in my life met a Toyota Camry fanboy who was willing to fight me to the death, or at least bitterly argue with me incessantly in the comments, over their allegedly superior choice to buy a Camry or my allegedly inferior choice not to. Damn strange.
You haven’t been to car forums
Oh, I have. But I hang around the ones that are specific to some brand or car that I already have, so everyone is on the same page. Probably safer that way…
It’s just a phone. Here’s an idea: You don’t have to rush out to pathologically buy the latest thing that Apple makes. You and Apple don’t owe each other shit. If your old phone works, stick with it. And if the new iPhone doesn’t do it for you, just fuckin’ buy something else.
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The action they’re talking about is the action button… nothing to do with the usb port lol
For me it’s the always-on portrait mode that wins for me. And better cameras.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but is portrait mode just a blurred background? Google photos has had the ability to blur backgrounds ( at least on Pixel) on old photos for a fair while.
It is bokeh - in some ways similar to a DSLR - I’d say the apple implementation is better - but that’s just me
Slow news day at Business Insider, I see.
I have a 14 Pro, and the changes in the 15 Pro are tempting to me.
I want USB-C, I want the lighter titanium, I want the rounded edges, I want the new camera effects, I want to try the new case options, etc.
Anyone coming from an older phone would find a LOT to look forward to in the iPhone 15 or 15 Pro.
It sounds like your life is pretty sweet in order to be underwhelmed by a magic $800-$1000 device.
You’d drop a $1000 for usb-c, round edges, new camera software and case options?
Are you rich?
I’m not saying that it’s a bad phone, but presumably your current phone works just fine, which means you think those features are worth $250 each. I personally think I could use that money for better things elsewhere.
You do know that Apple gives pretty damn solid trade ins right?
If you have a 14 pro and want to upgrade to a 15 pro, you get $570 for your 14 if it’s in good shape. So a 15 pro is only $429.
If you really enjoy having the latest and greatest, it’s not that hard to put away $35 a month towards upgrading.
The trade in value is a great point but it still ends up with four new features costing you over $100 each.
Each to their own, I’m sure that some gadget and tech lovers would absolutely be willing to pay that to have the latest and greatest, but I’d argue that the average person would probably rather have the $429.
The average person isn’t buying their phone outright either. They’re getting an upgrade from their cell carrier, and most of them do “free phone on us” as long as you stay under contract for 2 years.
T-Mobile for example (just who I’m with) will give you a $1000 credit towards a 15 pro if you trade in an “eligible device” over 24 months.
Relatively few people are just outright dropping $1000 on a phone.
hOw Is ThAt PoSsIbLe???
All the YouTubers invited at Apple’s are saying this is an incredible and revolutionary phone. How can it be otherwise ?
Eh pretty much all of the reputable YouTubers have said it’s not a huge upgrade, but the new features are very nice to have.
I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say it’s incredible or revolutionary. You’ve gotten the click baiters that say it’s the biggest upgrade ever, but that’s about it.
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People say this every year. The vast majority of true innovation is behind us. Why was an article written this year? Is it just because some reporter browsed X and thought, “eh, why not?”. This is not news.
I don’t know if Lemmy is degrading already or if the Apple fan boys and girls have just migrated en masse, but this thread sucks.
Apple fan boys - WOW STEVE JOBS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE DONE THIS!1!
Also Apple fan boys - WOW! They removed the headphone jack so they could sell me more adapters. They’re so brave1!1!
Lack of Innovation is their business model