Employees said they were eager to share the HR representative's response with their relatives.
Google employees typically work more than eight hours a day: Internal memo::Employees said they were eager to share the HR representative’s response with their relatives.
But should it be true? Why should businesses people work for expect or require them to use more than the minimum amount of time required for a full-time job, which should be lower anyway?
As an almost FAANG sized company engineer, I stay because I have work to do.
They ask me: Hey RedditWanderer, how much money /people and how long will it take to do this? I’m free to say whatever number, but I need to hit it. And when I don’t, I often feel personally responsible that I wasn’t able to foresee delays. They pay me a lot to get it right so I work a lot to look like I’m right.
On top of that the studio is like a 4 star hotel. Running late and would like to finish this one thing? That’s cool they’ll cook me food and pay my cab home. Got this project right? Here’s $80,000 worth of stock as bonus. Don’t feel like working today? Then just don’t come to work. It’s all about the social contract that they’ll let me do whatever I want because they’ll know I’ll do as much as I can.
I’m not saying it’s the proper way to do anything, and I definitely don’t expect my teams to stay late. Ideally I do my job well and nobody (aside maybe for me) needs to feel like they should work later.
It’s definitely not the proper way to do anything if you have a family. You should not have to choose between being a present parent and being paid what you’re worth. But a lot of companies, Google included, take a dim view of people who refuse to work as many hours as they can.
I get to choose though. I have unlimited time off/sick days, roll into work at whatever hour I want and can take time that I need to do other things. Nobody is forcing me to stay, and I had the opportunity to tell them how long it would take. I am also free to call it off and extend if I need.
I work a lot, but the company isn’t enforcing bad work life balance. Imagine if you had a job where your boss paid you hundreds of hours of overtime beforehand, and left it to you to decide when and if to take it, would you not sometimes do overtime when you feel it’s your responsibility?
You may get to choose. All those people whose bosses tell them they’re needed to come in on the weekend again do not. It’s not legal to enforce overtime, but it’s done in practice all the time.
Yeah thats definitely not ok, but in recent years I find work life balance, or at least the facade, has been a bigger part of company pillars. It’s really taboo to ask someone to stay past 4pm no matter what time they started. Nobody on any of my teams, and none of the teams I’ve ever been on have had mandatory overtime (that’s illegal in Canada for the most part unless they’re paying double bubble). Given we are salaried they can’t pay us overtime, so they pay us “ahead of time”.
I think you’re right, the pursuit of profit should not go against how we live as a society, but a lot of these FAANG workers are really cushy. I guess what I’m trying to say is I feel bad for the factory worker who is at risk of losing his job if he doesn’t do OT because he is short staffed and they are threatening to move the factory. I don’t feel bad for well paid engineers who decide to stay.
I would caveat your comment about FAANG workers being cushy. The majority of their workforce these days are contracted versus permanently hired on with the company proper. Those contractors/subcontractors get treated like disposable shit.
This ultimately has little to do with management and far more to do with people actually caring about what they’re doing and wanting to get deliverables finished
I literally am one of these people. I work on weekends and late on weekdays because I genuinely want to accomplish what I’m aiming for. My boss literally does not care if I ever even log in if I don’t have a meeting, because she knows I am going to be accomplishing things without her input, direction, or motivation.
I’m sure you’ve had a real shitbird boss or five. We all have. But that’s not why professionals generally work hard. You don’t get to this level if you aren’t passionate.
I’m not sure if anyone commenting read the context, but this is in response to an interview that claimed they work one hour a day and screw around or work on their own startups the rest of the time.
The problem is that nobody in tech can even really work for eight hours a day for long periods. People who work long hours almost always pad out the actual work with non-work. And the people who live at work are typically screwing around so much that they barely get any work done.
Yes, it makes sense to do all of this as a person working there, but I think it is telling that the companies let this happen. People can only work so much. Why not get the work out of them that you can, and then send them on their way?
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This is true for most technology always-on businesses… Also why they get paid a ton in most cases
But should it be true? Why should businesses people work for expect or require them to use more than the minimum amount of time required for a full-time job, which should be lower anyway?
As an almost FAANG sized company engineer, I stay because I have work to do.
They ask me: Hey RedditWanderer, how much money /people and how long will it take to do this? I’m free to say whatever number, but I need to hit it. And when I don’t, I often feel personally responsible that I wasn’t able to foresee delays. They pay me a lot to get it right so I work a lot to look like I’m right.
On top of that the studio is like a 4 star hotel. Running late and would like to finish this one thing? That’s cool they’ll cook me food and pay my cab home. Got this project right? Here’s $80,000 worth of stock as bonus. Don’t feel like working today? Then just don’t come to work. It’s all about the social contract that they’ll let me do whatever I want because they’ll know I’ll do as much as I can.
I’m not saying it’s the proper way to do anything, and I definitely don’t expect my teams to stay late. Ideally I do my job well and nobody (aside maybe for me) needs to feel like they should work later.
It’s definitely not the proper way to do anything if you have a family. You should not have to choose between being a present parent and being paid what you’re worth. But a lot of companies, Google included, take a dim view of people who refuse to work as many hours as they can.
I get to choose though. I have unlimited time off/sick days, roll into work at whatever hour I want and can take time that I need to do other things. Nobody is forcing me to stay, and I had the opportunity to tell them how long it would take. I am also free to call it off and extend if I need.
I work a lot, but the company isn’t enforcing bad work life balance. Imagine if you had a job where your boss paid you hundreds of hours of overtime beforehand, and left it to you to decide when and if to take it, would you not sometimes do overtime when you feel it’s your responsibility?
You may get to choose. All those people whose bosses tell them they’re needed to come in on the weekend again do not. It’s not legal to enforce overtime, but it’s done in practice all the time.
Yeah thats definitely not ok, but in recent years I find work life balance, or at least the facade, has been a bigger part of company pillars. It’s really taboo to ask someone to stay past 4pm no matter what time they started. Nobody on any of my teams, and none of the teams I’ve ever been on have had mandatory overtime (that’s illegal in Canada for the most part unless they’re paying double bubble). Given we are salaried they can’t pay us overtime, so they pay us “ahead of time”.
I think you’re right, the pursuit of profit should not go against how we live as a society, but a lot of these FAANG workers are really cushy. I guess what I’m trying to say is I feel bad for the factory worker who is at risk of losing his job if he doesn’t do OT because he is short staffed and they are threatening to move the factory. I don’t feel bad for well paid engineers who decide to stay.
I would caveat your comment about FAANG workers being cushy. The majority of their workforce these days are contracted versus permanently hired on with the company proper. Those contractors/subcontractors get treated like disposable shit.
But he said they get paid more. That makes it ok for some reason.
Poo management. If work can’t be done in a work day, it’s just poor management.
This ultimately has little to do with management and far more to do with people actually caring about what they’re doing and wanting to get deliverables finished
Wouldn’t be rushed to get deliverables finished if it wasn’t a management issue.
I literally am one of these people. I work on weekends and late on weekdays because I genuinely want to accomplish what I’m aiming for. My boss literally does not care if I ever even log in if I don’t have a meeting, because she knows I am going to be accomplishing things without her input, direction, or motivation.
I’m sure you’ve had a real shitbird boss or five. We all have. But that’s not why professionals generally work hard. You don’t get to this level if you aren’t passionate.
I’m upvoting this for the typo. Never change it.
Heh. Alright. I’ll leave it and take my lumps.
Also never change in general
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I’m not sure if anyone commenting read the context, but this is in response to an interview that claimed they work one hour a day and screw around or work on their own startups the rest of the time.
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The problem is that nobody in tech can even really work for eight hours a day for long periods. People who work long hours almost always pad out the actual work with non-work. And the people who live at work are typically screwing around so much that they barely get any work done.
Yes, it makes sense to do all of this as a person working there, but I think it is telling that the companies let this happen. People can only work so much. Why not get the work out of them that you can, and then send them on their way?