Guess I’m putting linux back on my laptop… Only kept Windows 10 on it, on the rare occasion where having windows without having to spin up a VM was useful to begin with, so its not a major loss i guess.
Just hope battery managements gotten better than the last time I tried, cause god damn that really ruined my battery in no time.
Did someone say it was connected to the Internet? You’re assuming that’s what’s happening. There are plenty of reasons to spin up an OS to test something that does not require the Internet. And I’ll even go a step further and say that the security updates may not even be needed depending on what you’re doing if you are connected to the Internet. Most security updates are to prevent things from happening after the user interacts with something. If you’re not interacting with these things and your PC isn’t in the DMZ then there isn’t much concern.
Anecdotally, I’m running Kubuntu on a Dell 7280 with a 4 cell battery as my personal computer, which gets an hour or two of websurfing and home network experimentation per day, and I’m having to charge up once or twice a week. I dunno how that stacks up to other devices or distros, but I really barely think about my battery.
My laptop can last a solid 8 hours or more web browsing with windows.
when I put linux (ubuntu for the record) on it, it got a whopping 30 minutes before it needed charging. and it royally fucked my battery health to the point it wouldnt work without being plugged in to the power supply constantly (edit. after a week of use, to be clear, not instantly). Thankfully Dell replaced my laptop for unrelated warranty issue and I got a new one with a fresh new unfucked battery.
So, this has been a standard phase of the Windows product lifecycle for 20+ years now. It doesn’t really answer the problem with Windows 10 retirement and unsupported hardware on 11+ but it shouldn’t be a shock to anyone.
Well, not supporting certain high end cpu’s for Windows 11 is a problem. They are forcing me to either switch cpu, AND mb or not get Windows 11. The last one is fine with me, but now they stop support for Windows 10… That kinda rubs me the wrong way.
As the other reply said, I’d definitely give Linux a try. Even the gaming situation has gotten a lot better though it’s still not perfect.
The CPU thing with 11 is kinda dumb but I do see why they did it. They wanted users running all the virtualization-based security features that were optional in 10. Some of those depend on a feature to minimize the amount of times the virtualized parts of the OS needs to swap to the hypervisor and back when it needs to change between user and kernel mode memory pages. All the Intel CPUs supported and all but the earliest AMD CPUs supported have a hardware feature called MBEC/GMET that speeds this up drastically. Unsupported CPUs (and AMD Zen+ which are supported) have to fall back to an emulated version of this feature but the performance penalties are high. When I was running an AMD Zen+ architecture CPU the difference in game performance between virtualization-based security being enabled/disabled was often in the range of 15-20%. It’s likely the earlier CPUs from Intel and AMD suffered from far worse impacts. If I had to guess Microsoft opted for the bad press from incompatible CPUs instead of being inundated with news about Windows 11 being dogshit slow.
You’re welcome to try Linux, it’s free, easy to use, easy and free to update, and stable. I use Ubuntu because I prefer something I don’t have to mess around with too much.
Phrased differently: Microsoft announces the end of support for a product. If you want to pay for it, they will make an exception and continue to support it just for you.
I understand people dislike Windows 11, but complaining about life cycle management isn’t going to help that.
I live in a 3rd world country and I can promise you that this is going to lead to a large percentage of the population using an insecure version of Windows 10 or just using mobile devices.
I doubt many people here will switch to Linux, but I can only hope. Maybe businesses will do that instead of buying new hardware. Recently, I saw a shop using Banana Pis as their checkout terminal.
It would be a REALLY simple thing to implement for longer and get the PR boost/spin. considering there are still so many devices that are working that don’t support newer software. BRand loyalty is waning and windows is competing with chrome books. That’s the shit k-12 are getting and most basic people. Give yourself at least a bit of an edge ffs!
But nah public hasn’t made a big fuss about that so of course they won’t elect to make better choices for the environment
The Microsoft Blogpost keeps mentioning customers and I’ve seen it mentioned a few times in this thread, but it almost seems like they’re gearing this towards businesses and not 100% average consumers. Then again, they do mention 365 subscribers so maybe they are. Either way it’s such a waste that an OS would shutter anti-virus support for anyone who doesn’t pay a subscription.
Also, a ton of people here keep saying how this will drive users to Linux. No, no it wont. It isn’t the first shitty thing that Microsoft has done to their OS, and it won’t be the last. Older and average people won’t take time out of their day to swap OS’s and learn terminals.
It’s aimed at the U.S. Government. There’s been an absolutely massive shift to get to Windows 10, updating systems as old as Windows 2000 to get there. MS advertised Windows 10 as their final OS, eventually backtracking and releasing Windows 11 and will continue to make iterative releases in the future. But for a moment The Government believed it and thought it was a great time to bite the bullet and go all in. Now that most major systems are upgraded to W10, it’s doubtful from my perspective that U.S.G. will be able to support or migrate to W11 or even W12, meaning they will most likely pay a lot of money over many many years to keep MS providing security updates for the W10 platform.
Next personal GFX update I’m going AMD and installing Linux on my gaming PC no matter what
But I get it, you don’t want to maintain old builds forever. And given that certain systems still run Windows XP you have to force people and money is the only thing that talks
Yeah good luck with games, support on Linux has gotten way better over the years but it’s still severely lacking (mainly due to anticheats or game developers intentionally not supporting Linux). Even with games that you can play on Linux, they require an annoying amount of tweaking to actually get running.
Steam Deck gives me hope for Linux gaming but I don’t think it’ll ever have as much support as Windows gaming, in fact a surprisingly high amount of games have a Linux detection system that blocks Linux players because fuck you I guess…
But you can’t really blame Linux for this, it’s mostly the fault of aggressive anticheat that shouldn’t exist in the first place, or shitty companies wanting to block Linux players from playing their games.
As for Nvidia, I’ve personally had no issue and in fact I run into more situations where having an Nvidia graphics card is better – encoding (great for recording games) and DLSS, for example. But that’s just my experience, I’m sure it’s just coincidental because I don’t play that many games anymore.
The problem with Linux builds is game compatibility. Many are windows only. Sure you can use Wine or Proton, but that isn’t everyone. And they don’t seem stable for long.
My daily driver is an endeavorOS install, the only reason I keep windows 10 on a small SSD is for GeForce Now since the windows app is the only platform they provide that supports streams at 120+fps and 1440p. My windows 10 install is just a GeForce Now thin client ever since I got att fiber.
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That’s great! Means it won’t update randomly without my permission anymore.
Guess I’m putting linux back on my laptop… Only kept Windows 10 on it, on the rare occasion where having windows without having to spin up a VM was useful to begin with, so its not a major loss i guess.
Just hope battery managements gotten better than the last time I tried, cause god damn that really ruined my battery in no time.
Then you’re probably not going to need the security updates if that’s all you’re using it for.
Anything connected to the internet needs to be up to date for security fixes.
Did someone say it was connected to the Internet? You’re assuming that’s what’s happening. There are plenty of reasons to spin up an OS to test something that does not require the Internet. And I’ll even go a step further and say that the security updates may not even be needed depending on what you’re doing if you are connected to the Internet. Most security updates are to prevent things from happening after the user interacts with something. If you’re not interacting with these things and your PC isn’t in the DMZ then there isn’t much concern.
I love how you are getting offended because you think I’m making assumptions about how I use MY laptop.
Lol, oops. Either way, i stand by what i said. I spin up different OS’s and snapshots frequently without needing the Internet.
Anecdotally, I’m running Kubuntu on a Dell 7280 with a 4 cell battery as my personal computer, which gets an hour or two of websurfing and home network experimentation per day, and I’m having to charge up once or twice a week. I dunno how that stacks up to other devices or distros, but I really barely think about my battery.
My laptop can last a solid 8 hours or more web browsing with windows.
when I put linux (ubuntu for the record) on it, it got a whopping 30 minutes before it needed charging. and it royally fucked my battery health to the point it wouldnt work without being plugged in to the power supply constantly (edit. after a week of use, to be clear, not instantly). Thankfully Dell replaced my laptop for unrelated warranty issue and I got a new one with a fresh new unfucked battery.
So, this has been a standard phase of the Windows product lifecycle for 20+ years now. It doesn’t really answer the problem with Windows 10 retirement and unsupported hardware on 11+ but it shouldn’t be a shock to anyone.
Well, not supporting certain high end cpu’s for Windows 11 is a problem. They are forcing me to either switch cpu, AND mb or not get Windows 11. The last one is fine with me, but now they stop support for Windows 10… That kinda rubs me the wrong way.
As the other reply said, I’d definitely give Linux a try. Even the gaming situation has gotten a lot better though it’s still not perfect.
The CPU thing with 11 is kinda dumb but I do see why they did it. They wanted users running all the virtualization-based security features that were optional in 10. Some of those depend on a feature to minimize the amount of times the virtualized parts of the OS needs to swap to the hypervisor and back when it needs to change between user and kernel mode memory pages. All the Intel CPUs supported and all but the earliest AMD CPUs supported have a hardware feature called MBEC/GMET that speeds this up drastically. Unsupported CPUs (and AMD Zen+ which are supported) have to fall back to an emulated version of this feature but the performance penalties are high. When I was running an AMD Zen+ architecture CPU the difference in game performance between virtualization-based security being enabled/disabled was often in the range of 15-20%. It’s likely the earlier CPUs from Intel and AMD suffered from far worse impacts. If I had to guess Microsoft opted for the bad press from incompatible CPUs instead of being inundated with news about Windows 11 being dogshit slow.
You’re welcome to try Linux, it’s free, easy to use, easy and free to update, and stable. I use Ubuntu because I prefer something I don’t have to mess around with too much.
Well, I’ve been putting off switching to Linux for a long time now. I guess Microsoft is going to force my hand.
Phrased differently: Microsoft announces the end of support for a product. If you want to pay for it, they will make an exception and continue to support it just for you.
I understand people dislike Windows 11, but complaining about life cycle management isn’t going to help that.
I live in a 3rd world country and I can promise you that this is going to lead to a large percentage of the population using an insecure version of Windows 10 or just using mobile devices.
I doubt many people here will switch to Linux, but I can only hope. Maybe businesses will do that instead of buying new hardware. Recently, I saw a shop using Banana Pis as their checkout terminal.
This shit contributes to electronic waste.
It would be a REALLY simple thing to implement for longer and get the PR boost/spin. considering there are still so many devices that are working that don’t support newer software. BRand loyalty is waning and windows is competing with chrome books. That’s the shit k-12 are getting and most basic people. Give yourself at least a bit of an edge ffs!
But nah public hasn’t made a big fuss about that so of course they won’t elect to make better choices for the environment
This was supposed to be the “last” windows operating system they’d ever release.
Last good one
Microsoft never officially said this. It was a random engineer
The Microsoft Blogpost keeps mentioning customers and I’ve seen it mentioned a few times in this thread, but it almost seems like they’re gearing this towards businesses and not 100% average consumers. Then again, they do mention 365 subscribers so maybe they are. Either way it’s such a waste that an OS would shutter anti-virus support for anyone who doesn’t pay a subscription.
Also, a ton of people here keep saying how this will drive users to Linux. No, no it wont. It isn’t the first shitty thing that Microsoft has done to their OS, and it won’t be the last. Older and average people won’t take time out of their day to swap OS’s and learn terminals.
It’s aimed at the U.S. Government. There’s been an absolutely massive shift to get to Windows 10, updating systems as old as Windows 2000 to get there. MS advertised Windows 10 as their final OS, eventually backtracking and releasing Windows 11 and will continue to make iterative releases in the future. But for a moment The Government believed it and thought it was a great time to bite the bullet and go all in. Now that most major systems are upgraded to W10, it’s doubtful from my perspective that U.S.G. will be able to support or migrate to W11 or even W12, meaning they will most likely pay a lot of money over many many years to keep MS providing security updates for the W10 platform.
Something something promissory estoppel!
Arrrrrr?
Next personal GFX update I’m going AMD and installing Linux on my gaming PC no matter what
But I get it, you don’t want to maintain old builds forever. And given that certain systems still run Windows XP you have to force people and money is the only thing that talks
Yeah good luck with games, support on Linux has gotten way better over the years but it’s still severely lacking (mainly due to anticheats or game developers intentionally not supporting Linux). Even with games that you can play on Linux, they require an annoying amount of tweaking to actually get running.
Steam Deck gives me hope for Linux gaming but I don’t think it’ll ever have as much support as Windows gaming, in fact a surprisingly high amount of games have a Linux detection system that blocks Linux players because fuck you I guess…
But you can’t really blame Linux for this, it’s mostly the fault of aggressive anticheat that shouldn’t exist in the first place, or shitty companies wanting to block Linux players from playing their games.
As for Nvidia, I’ve personally had no issue and in fact I run into more situations where having an Nvidia graphics card is better – encoding (great for recording games) and DLSS, for example. But that’s just my experience, I’m sure it’s just coincidental because I don’t play that many games anymore.
The problem with Linux builds is game compatibility. Many are windows only. Sure you can use Wine or Proton, but that isn’t everyone. And they don’t seem stable for long.
Steam UI is a good step forward.
I’ll just not play those. But anticheats might suck
There are many games that have compatibility issues. I would check for your favorites first. Elden ring, cyberpunk, many others
My daily driver is an endeavorOS install, the only reason I keep windows 10 on a small SSD is for GeForce Now since the windows app is the only platform they provide that supports streams at 120+fps and 1440p. My windows 10 install is just a GeForce Now thin client ever since I got att fiber.
So pirate Windows 11 or switch to Linux?
They can secure Deez nutz