CNN’s Laura Coates speaks with Steve Wozniak, the co-founder of Apple, about online privacy and Congress’ pending legislation that could lead to a ban of TikTok.
The idea that “it’s ok cause we’d do the same” is ridiculous. There is no comparison: China is an authoritarian government and the parent company is practically an arm of the state. There are legitimate criticisms of American tech companies obviously, but they’re ultimately subject to the market and democratic governments. We shouldn’t be doing any business with authoritarians in the first place, much less inviting them to control a significant social media app in the guise of a legitimate business.
I mean acting like American tech companies aren’t basically an arm of the American intelligence services is a bit ridiculous too. Just cause they also make money and have to compete in the “fair market” doesn’t change that. If anything it makes it worse cause they’ll sell their data to anyone, whether that be America or China. I’m not saying what TikTok does is good, I’m saying all these companies are bad and focusing on one like this because it’s foreign is dumb.
I agree. We do the same and it’s not okay when we do it either. But you can recognise that the world (and the US at large,) needs better privacy laws and regulations regarding user data while also feeling that tik tok is invasive and so closely tied to the CCP that it is actually a dangerous attack vector that has its hooks in the American people. I honestly think the bill is BS. Sure, the CCP is a threat to US national security. And yes, they absolutely are using tik tok to that effect. I fully believe that. But I want user privacy laws. I want protections. I don’t want this kind of invasive app (tik tok, meta, Amazon, google et al) tracking me. And I want the government to do something to allow me to take back control of my data.
I literally see post about the Genocide all the time and not just on Lemmy. So is the government censoring that? Is it?
You’re talking about genocide right now? Government came and got you, did it?
Seriously, nothing is stopping people from talking about it, sharing information, or providing claims it’s happening or proof. If you’re suggesting platforms are taking that info off their servers, I am just gonna say that social media is awash with videos, articles, and claims. Those platforms may remove data that violates their EULA, or would leave them open to litigation which makes sense. You wouldn’t make the claim that they’re censoring the war on Ukraine. But violent video of first hand accounts have absolutely been removed from social media. The same happened in Yemen, Iran, and half a dozen other war torn countries including several African countries.
I don’t agree with the US providing weapons or support to Israel. I don’t disagree that genocide is happening in Gaza. I am not Pro Israel. I absolutely believe that Israel is actively violating the Geneva convention and committing crimes against noncombatants and people who have nothing to do with any terrorist activity.
But I also agree that Hamas is a terrorist group. And unfortunately that’s just how any group of anti-government freedom fighters who attack their governments are labelled. It’s been this way throughout history. The American side of the revolutionary war? They were terrorists. The victors write the history books everywhere.
And hiding in schools, places of worship, and hospitals and getting innocent people killed because those are losses you’re willing to allow? That’s terrorist behaviour. What is happening is absolutely unconscionable. From both sides. Hamas has its fair share of atrocities. To them, that’s the price of freedom.
He’s still the guy making money off the slave labor Apple employs. Best thing he can do is shut up and play the role of the cool guy billionaire who isn’t out of touch, but defending China and tik tok doesn’t help his image
I still think it’s a bit funny that someone on Apple’s payroll is being critical of another company’s shady business practices when they are essentially doing just as much shady shit with user data.
I didn’t say you had to find it funny. Humour is subjective. But go off.
I’ll explain since people insist. You’d think Apple’s lawyers would have advised against this since really the company also makes money from gathering and monetizing user data. But apparently not.
Woz doesn’t profit from slave labor in China any more than any of us since he hasn’t actually worked for Apple since like 1985. Since then, he’s started a number of other companies doing a bunch of other stuff, like cleaning space junk most recently
Right, exactly. He could be worth billions if he wanted to, but he quit Apple early on. He still has shares of Apple which means he is worth that much, but he’s also given shares away to other Apple employees just because he believed they deserved them more. He does profit off slave labor in China, but my argument was that it’s not any more than the rest of us. Basically everyone participating in capitalism will benefit from its worst parts, but Steve Woz is not the poster child for capitalism, greed, or slave labor.
Are you saying “not any more than the rest of us” as in “lots of people own stocks or investment accounts and many of those are in businesses profiting from China”?
I think the difference for me is that he’s in a position to influence things since he’s famous, and he has a ton of money from it already.
Norms need to invest in stocks to be able to retire or afford healthcare. He has the luxury to not need to worry about any of this.
But more importantly, stock holders can absolutely (and should) criticize the companies which they hold stocks in. They have power to vote and influence their business decisions. Owning stock does not mean you have to agree with existing decisions.
He was one of the largest shareholders. One third of the company in fact… but he sold most of those way back when they were worth almost nothing (as in hundreds of dollars). And as far as we know virtually all the rest of his shares since then have been gifted to charities. Mostly schools.
“I do not invest. I don’t do that stuff. I didn’t want to be near money because it could corrupt your values.” – Steve Wozniak, five years ago
He makes a good living doing speeches at universities/etc - that’s his primary wealth, not his shares in Apple. If he had kept even a tenth of the shares he once owned, he’d be richer than Elon Musk. As it is, the house he lives in is likely more than half of his total worth (it’s a nice house, with six bedrooms, in a nice location… more than most people can afford but hardly extravagant, 6 bedrooms is enough to host a large family holiday party, which I think is quite reasonable).
He’s a major shareholder and has made over $150 million off his apple association. Stop defending the ultra rich, this guy would fuck and kill your children if it made him an extra buck, he doesn’t give a fuck about you. Don’t buy into their pr “I’m a good one” narratives
Also, I realize 150m is a lot of money to people… But making only 150m ever from apple stock? Sounds like not alot considering apples valuation so I doubt him being a major holder with that profit from stocks, nor enough that I’d consider “ultra rich” when CEO of reddit makes more than that as a salary per year apparently. That’s not even considering stock spez owns.
Judging by your comment history, you seem like a rather unhappy person. I hope you can find peace some day soon, I don’t think social platforms will help you find that peace however. Good luck.
Of course he’s right but that doesn’t stop generational propaganda from wearing off that easy.
There is somehow always a boogeyman that’s making US suffer, it’s never the US itself because it’s the “greatest country” in the world and everyone is jealous. It can’t be anything else.
AOSP is FOSS, but most implementations in use are not. Not meaning to correct you, because what you said is true, strictly speaking, but I think it is worth noting.
The US government demanded access to the US based social media companies to pull whatever sensitive information they wanted. They just don’t want China to have the same access.
Also, TikTok has been caught abusing exploits to get additional information outside of the permissions granted by users. IIRC, TikTok was caught stealing the MAC address from phones a few years back.
It’s odd the Steve Wozniak is pretending to be ignorant of the distinction. US government wants Intel, and doesn’t want a rival nation to possess similar Intel. That’s basic intelligence 101.
Not to mention everyone’s ignoring how China bans multiple American internet services so they can force their population to use Chinese replicas of the same thing.
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The idea that “it’s ok cause we’d do the same” is ridiculous. There is no comparison: China is an authoritarian government and the parent company is practically an arm of the state. There are legitimate criticisms of American tech companies obviously, but they’re ultimately subject to the market and democratic governments. We shouldn’t be doing any business with authoritarians in the first place, much less inviting them to control a significant social media app in the guise of a legitimate business.
I mean acting like American tech companies aren’t basically an arm of the American intelligence services is a bit ridiculous too. Just cause they also make money and have to compete in the “fair market” doesn’t change that. If anything it makes it worse cause they’ll sell their data to anyone, whether that be America or China. I’m not saying what TikTok does is good, I’m saying all these companies are bad and focusing on one like this because it’s foreign is dumb.
I agree. We do the same and it’s not okay when we do it either. But you can recognise that the world (and the US at large,) needs better privacy laws and regulations regarding user data while also feeling that tik tok is invasive and so closely tied to the CCP that it is actually a dangerous attack vector that has its hooks in the American people. I honestly think the bill is BS. Sure, the CCP is a threat to US national security. And yes, they absolutely are using tik tok to that effect. I fully believe that. But I want user privacy laws. I want protections. I don’t want this kind of invasive app (tik tok, meta, Amazon, google et al) tracking me. And I want the government to do something to allow me to take back control of my data.
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Not on a comparable level with China, Iran, or Russia. This isn’t a fair comparison. Which makes this comment somewhat disengenuous.
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I literally see post about the Genocide all the time and not just on Lemmy. So is the government censoring that? Is it?
You’re talking about genocide right now? Government came and got you, did it?
Seriously, nothing is stopping people from talking about it, sharing information, or providing claims it’s happening or proof. If you’re suggesting platforms are taking that info off their servers, I am just gonna say that social media is awash with videos, articles, and claims. Those platforms may remove data that violates their EULA, or would leave them open to litigation which makes sense. You wouldn’t make the claim that they’re censoring the war on Ukraine. But violent video of first hand accounts have absolutely been removed from social media. The same happened in Yemen, Iran, and half a dozen other war torn countries including several African countries.
I don’t agree with the US providing weapons or support to Israel. I don’t disagree that genocide is happening in Gaza. I am not Pro Israel. I absolutely believe that Israel is actively violating the Geneva convention and committing crimes against noncombatants and people who have nothing to do with any terrorist activity.
But I also agree that Hamas is a terrorist group. And unfortunately that’s just how any group of anti-government freedom fighters who attack their governments are labelled. It’s been this way throughout history. The American side of the revolutionary war? They were terrorists. The victors write the history books everywhere.
And hiding in schools, places of worship, and hospitals and getting innocent people killed because those are losses you’re willing to allow? That’s terrorist behaviour. What is happening is absolutely unconscionable. From both sides. Hamas has its fair share of atrocities. To them, that’s the price of freedom.
Lol
This is the guy who knew how to solder, not the guy who invented walled gardens
He’s still the guy making money off the slave labor Apple employs. Best thing he can do is shut up and play the role of the cool guy billionaire who isn’t out of touch, but defending China and tik tok doesn’t help his image
I still think it’s a bit funny that someone on Apple’s payroll is being critical of another company’s shady business practices when they are essentially doing just as much shady shit with user data.
The guy who left and sold most of his stock in 1985 because he didn’t like Jobs doing exactly this kind of thing?
I didn’t say you had to find it funny. Humour is subjective. But go off.
I’ll explain since people insist. You’d think Apple’s lawyers would have advised against this since really the company also makes money from gathering and monetizing user data. But apparently not.
Man who profits from slave labor in China, is against China being fucked with. Why is this news?
Woz doesn’t profit from slave labor in China any more than any of us since he hasn’t actually worked for Apple since like 1985. Since then, he’s started a number of other companies doing a bunch of other stuff, like cleaning space junk most recently
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Right, exactly. He could be worth billions if he wanted to, but he quit Apple early on. He still has shares of Apple which means he is worth that much, but he’s also given shares away to other Apple employees just because he believed they deserved them more. He does profit off slave labor in China, but my argument was that it’s not any more than the rest of us. Basically everyone participating in capitalism will benefit from its worst parts, but Steve Woz is not the poster child for capitalism, greed, or slave labor.
Are you saying “not any more than the rest of us” as in “lots of people own stocks or investment accounts and many of those are in businesses profiting from China”?
I think the difference for me is that he’s in a position to influence things since he’s famous, and he has a ton of money from it already.
Norms need to invest in stocks to be able to retire or afford healthcare. He has the luxury to not need to worry about any of this.
But more importantly, stock holders can absolutely (and should) criticize the companies which they hold stocks in. They have power to vote and influence their business decisions. Owning stock does not mean you have to agree with existing decisions.
Are you saying he doesn’t profit off apple as one of its largest shareholders?
He was one of the largest shareholders. One third of the company in fact… but he sold most of those way back when they were worth almost nothing (as in hundreds of dollars). And as far as we know virtually all the rest of his shares since then have been gifted to charities. Mostly schools.
“I do not invest. I don’t do that stuff. I didn’t want to be near money because it could corrupt your values.” – Steve Wozniak, five years ago
He makes a good living doing speeches at universities/etc - that’s his primary wealth, not his shares in Apple. If he had kept even a tenth of the shares he once owned, he’d be richer than Elon Musk. As it is, the house he lives in is likely more than half of his total worth (it’s a nice house, with six bedrooms, in a nice location… more than most people can afford but hardly extravagant, 6 bedrooms is enough to host a large family holiday party, which I think is quite reasonable).
My man doesn’t even see the name of the person, just the company he worked for… Over 30 years ago.
Bro, do some reading, it would help you.
He’s a major shareholder and has made over $150 million off his apple association. Stop defending the ultra rich, this guy would fuck and kill your children if it made him an extra buck, he doesn’t give a fuck about you. Don’t buy into their pr “I’m a good one” narratives
Can you cite a source for that?
Also, I realize 150m is a lot of money to people… But making only 150m ever from apple stock? Sounds like not alot considering apples valuation so I doubt him being a major holder with that profit from stocks, nor enough that I’d consider “ultra rich” when CEO of reddit makes more than that as a salary per year apparently. That’s not even considering stock spez owns.
Judging by your comment history, you seem like a rather unhappy person. I hope you can find peace some day soon, I don’t think social platforms will help you find that peace however. Good luck.
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Of course he’s right but that doesn’t stop generational propaganda from wearing off that easy.
There is somehow always a boogeyman that’s making US suffer, it’s never the US itself because it’s the “greatest country” in the world and everyone is jealous. It can’t be anything else.
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by that logic, please DO ban google
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android is open source.
it doesnt need google to exist. in fact i think it would be better without it.
AOSP is FOSS, but most implementations in use are not. Not meaning to correct you, because what you said is true, strictly speaking, but I think it is worth noting.
Uhh, it’s not hypocrisy.
The US government demanded access to the US based social media companies to pull whatever sensitive information they wanted. They just don’t want China to have the same access.
Also, TikTok has been caught abusing exploits to get additional information outside of the permissions granted by users. IIRC, TikTok was caught stealing the MAC address from phones a few years back.
It’s odd the Steve Wozniak is pretending to be ignorant of the distinction. US government wants Intel, and doesn’t want a rival nation to possess similar Intel. That’s basic intelligence 101.
Not to mention everyone’s ignoring how China bans multiple American internet services so they can force their population to use Chinese replicas of the same thing.
Woz, like me, believes that nobody should have that intel. Trusting nation-states is always a bad idea.
it would be hypocrisy if ccp’s china were democratic, didn’t practice party dictatorship or rule by law.
else it’s right to ban an app that could sway public opinions,especially one that is a hostile towards america.
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i don’t get what you mean.
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what will he tell me about?
Common Wozniak W