Its a downgrade. It offers nothing but ads. Who wants ads? Why do they feel the need to keep altering the interface? If microsoft manufactured automobiles they would switch the brake and gas pedals every other year.
My daughter has a Windows 10 notebook for school. We haven’t seen a reason to upgrade yet. If Windows made a “never bother you again about anything you don’t want to be bothered about” version of Windows 11, we’d upgrade because that’s so fucking annoying. I hate Windows.
My win10 upgraded without asking. Win11 is horrible, I’m going to wipe and reinstall win10 again. As soon as update support stops, it’s Linux for me. Screw Microsoft. They even added ads as notifications and they are going to put ads in the start menu. Wtf! This is the end of windows, I’m sure.
I’m testing out Tiny11, which is basically Windows 11 without the bloat, and so far the experience is great!
My secondhand laptop from 2019 went from taking two minutes or more each to boot and to shut down in the full Microsoft monstrosity to less than 10 seconds for either in Tiny11 and the general performance is also dramatically improved!
(I’m speaking generally, not criticizing you personally.)
It’s amazing the great effort to which people will go to try to compensate for Microsoft’s abusive behavior, often while simultaneously claiming that switching OSs is too much effort.
Projects like Tiny11 are the computer equivalent of “oh, this black eye? I got it falling down the stairs and definitely not because my partner hit me.”
Folks get mad about Linux evangelism, but it’s really no different than friends saying “leave his ass; you’re too good for him!”
To be fair, alternatives like Tiny11 are much more user friendly for someone used to Windows than going all the way to Linux.
Especially if gaming is a big part of what you use your computer for and you prefer to do as much as possible with just the mouse rather than typing in various complex commands, both of which is the case with me.
Windows 11 is too bloated and otherwise enshittified and making Linux do what I want it to is too much of a hassle.
Tiny11 is better for my personal use case on both accounts and, like with Linux, I’m not rewarding Microsoft’s sleazy behavior by using it.
Y’all need to get yourselves that Windows 10 2021 LTSC IoT badboy (IoT part is important). It’s supported until 2032 and it’s only bloat is edge. If I had to use windows again it would be that.
The main setup went smooth. I can recommend nobara which is what I used. I tried garuda as well, but it wasn’t my style. Personal preference, no hate :).
Most steam games work pretty good ( see protondb ).
( make sure to set your steam settings > compatibility to all games ).
Any game with invasive anti-cheat will likely not work. LoL and valorant come to mind. I think some of the cs2 ones like faceit won’t work on Linux. But standard cs2 and competitive work fine.
Battle.net gave me some issues on lutris until I forced it to proton.
Overall I’ve had a good experience. Sometimes a weird issue if I alt tab ( hots ) that it comes back super tiny. I worked around it by running it windowed fullscreen.
Overall I’ve no regrets so far. I installed nobara and it’s quite user friendly. I’ve never used a fedora distro before ( more extensive experience with xubuntu/Ubuntu/pop ).
Helldivers 2, heroes of the storm and ff crisis core worked flawlessly.
Hots needs to run full screen ( windowed ) or alt-tab will make the screen tiny for some reason.
So far: no regrets.
When you first play a game it needs to compile the shaders first. So on your initial game there’s a few minutes ramp up time. But any next times you start the game should be fine.
I have an older GPU (rx 470) and I play games that probably aren’t super new so my main concerns were mainly my tech literacy and fear of fucking something up xD
RX470 is fully supported with the latest drivers. Anything from Radeon HD 7000 (GCN2) series from ~10 years ago and newer uses AMDGPU with (almost) all features available. GCN1 is experimental but also works.
Older cards use the Radeon driver and miss out on Vulkan.
That was an effort to get people to buy new machines. I loaded it on my gen 7 i7 and my gen 8. Both run it just fine but microsoft insists that one is good and one is bad. Its all about new sales.
I can’t wait for massive security problems on corporations once they shut down W10 support and those corporation considering if keeping with windows is woth the risk and the cost anymore.
This isn’t the first time Windows has gone EoL in a corporate environment; what makes you think it’ll be better or worse than previously? Some will begin the Win11 transition, some will pay for extended support until Windows 12, a few might switch to Linux, and the rest will run unsecured until circumstances force them to fix it.
This time around there are hardware requirements. Corporations equipment is not usually the latest hardware, and windows 11 is pushing customers to buy new hardware.
I suppose for many corporations upgrading to windows 11 would also mean upgrading the computer, which is an increase cost.
I use Linux at home exclusively (Linux Mint Debian Edition).
Don’t need Windows for anything but when I worked Enterprise IT the move to Windows 10 was a massive pain but we finally got it working and it wasn’t too bad as an OS. There is no reason why you’d want to upgrade.
As for home users, from my experience people don’t like change. If you move a single shortcut on the desktop , they are lost and panic .
So changing the entire look of the UI is not something people want. Plus Windows 10 auto update borked some windows 7 systems so users with that memory won’t be keen to repeat it by upgrading to 11.
They should have just kept incrementally upgrading W10. People don’t like big changes and there’s not much encouraging people to 11 except 10 going EOL.
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Its a downgrade. It offers nothing but ads. Who wants ads? Why do they feel the need to keep altering the interface? If microsoft manufactured automobiles they would switch the brake and gas pedals every other year.
What a joke 🤣
I am so glad I switched to linux for 95% of my tasks and only need to boot windows once per month
My daughter has a Windows 10 notebook for school. We haven’t seen a reason to upgrade yet. If Windows made a “never bother you again about anything you don’t want to be bothered about” version of Windows 11, we’d upgrade because that’s so fucking annoying. I hate Windows.
My win10 upgraded without asking. Win11 is horrible, I’m going to wipe and reinstall win10 again. As soon as update support stops, it’s Linux for me. Screw Microsoft. They even added ads as notifications and they are going to put ads in the start menu. Wtf! This is the end of windows, I’m sure.
I’m testing out Tiny11, which is basically Windows 11 without the bloat, and so far the experience is great!
My secondhand laptop from 2019 went from taking two minutes or more each to boot and to shut down in the full Microsoft monstrosity to less than 10 seconds for either in Tiny11 and the general performance is also dramatically improved!
(I’m speaking generally, not criticizing you personally.)
It’s amazing the great effort to which people will go to try to compensate for Microsoft’s abusive behavior, often while simultaneously claiming that switching OSs is too much effort.
Projects like Tiny11 are the computer equivalent of “oh, this black eye? I got it falling down the stairs and definitely not because my partner hit me.”
Folks get mad about Linux evangelism, but it’s really no different than friends saying “leave his ass; you’re too good for him!”
To be fair, alternatives like Tiny11 are much more user friendly for someone used to Windows than going all the way to Linux.
Especially if gaming is a big part of what you use your computer for and you prefer to do as much as possible with just the mouse rather than typing in various complex commands, both of which is the case with me.
Windows 11 is too bloated and otherwise enshittified and making Linux do what I want it to is too much of a hassle.
Tiny11 is better for my personal use case on both accounts and, like with Linux, I’m not rewarding Microsoft’s sleazy behavior by using it.
Sounds good, I’ll go check it out :)
Y’all need to get yourselves that Windows 10 2021 LTSC IoT badboy (IoT part is important). It’s supported until 2032 and it’s only bloat is edge. If I had to use windows again it would be that.
It enticed me to start gaming on Linux. So its definitely doing some enticing
I thought I was alone in this lol
Win11 literally made me rage uninstall it after I got mad trying to remove all bloatware and then it showed me onedrive ad
What was your experience switching over to Linux and getting it set up for gaming?
The main setup went smooth. I can recommend nobara which is what I used. I tried garuda as well, but it wasn’t my style. Personal preference, no hate :).
Most steam games work pretty good ( see protondb ). ( make sure to set your steam settings > compatibility to all games ).
Any game with invasive anti-cheat will likely not work. LoL and valorant come to mind. I think some of the cs2 ones like faceit won’t work on Linux. But standard cs2 and competitive work fine.
Battle.net gave me some issues on lutris until I forced it to proton.
Overall I’ve had a good experience. Sometimes a weird issue if I alt tab ( hots ) that it comes back super tiny. I worked around it by running it windowed fullscreen.
Overall I’ve no regrets so far. I installed nobara and it’s quite user friendly. I’ve never used a fedora distro before ( more extensive experience with xubuntu/Ubuntu/pop ).
Helldivers 2, heroes of the storm and ff crisis core worked flawlessly.
Hots needs to run full screen ( windowed ) or alt-tab will make the screen tiny for some reason.
So far: no regrets.
When you first play a game it needs to compile the shaders first. So on your initial game there’s a few minutes ramp up time. But any next times you start the game should be fine.
I tried Garuda as well, and was not happy with the hoops I had to go through. I switched to Pop OS, and have had very smooth sailing so far.
I have an older GPU (rx 470) and I play games that probably aren’t super new so my main concerns were mainly my tech literacy and fear of fucking something up xD
I didn’t really do any CLI commands on nobara. So it’s pretty straightforward. I guess the best experience might be with AMD.
I’m running a ryzen 7 and gtx 2080ti( I think ).
It’s about 4 years old, but it still gets the job done. I’ve had no gfx issues. Nobara installed the nvidia drivers on its own.
If you have a spare HD. I’d recommend giving it a try. I ran popos parallel for a short while to try out gaming.
I was angry and leaped off the deep end. New OS and everything. I have a technical background so with google I probably could save my own ass :D
RX470 is fully supported with the latest drivers. Anything from Radeon HD 7000 (GCN2) series from ~10 years ago and newer uses AMDGPU with (almost) all features available. GCN1 is experimental but also works.
Older cards use the Radeon driver and miss out on Vulkan.
I must admit I’m on the edge of jumping ship, even the software which has been keeping me locked to windows is getting less and less appealing.
Microsoft needs to re-evaluate the support window, because nobody’s buying Windows 11. They fucked themselves with the high hardware requirements.
That was an effort to get people to buy new machines. I loaded it on my gen 7 i7 and my gen 8. Both run it just fine but microsoft insists that one is good and one is bad. Its all about new sales.
I dunno if it’s the hardware requirements. The ads are the thing I don’t want. Not sure I see the point of moving the start menu either.
I can’t wait for massive security problems on corporations once they shut down W10 support and those corporation considering if keeping with windows is woth the risk and the cost anymore.
You mean like they did when Windows 7 went EoL?
Or when Windows XP went EoL?
Or when NT 4.0 went EoL?
This isn’t the first time Windows has gone EoL in a corporate environment; what makes you think it’ll be better or worse than previously? Some will begin the Win11 transition, some will pay for extended support until Windows 12, a few might switch to Linux, and the rest will run unsecured until circumstances force them to fix it.
This time around there are hardware requirements. Corporations equipment is not usually the latest hardware, and windows 11 is pushing customers to buy new hardware.
I suppose for many corporations upgrading to windows 11 would also mean upgrading the computer, which is an increase cost.
I use Linux at home exclusively (Linux Mint Debian Edition).
Don’t need Windows for anything but when I worked Enterprise IT the move to Windows 10 was a massive pain but we finally got it working and it wasn’t too bad as an OS. There is no reason why you’d want to upgrade.
As for home users, from my experience people don’t like change. If you move a single shortcut on the desktop , they are lost and panic .
So changing the entire look of the UI is not something people want. Plus Windows 10 auto update borked some windows 7 systems so users with that memory won’t be keen to repeat it by upgrading to 11.
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Huh. So shitting on your customers is a bad thing?
Wow who would have thought….
I think Win10 already is everything what I need.
I have gotten a small feel of 11 from my girlfriend’s laptop - it feels alright.
But I think I won’t have reasons to upgrade. I haven’t studied 11 at all so I don’t even know am I missing something lol
They should have just kept incrementally upgrading W10. People don’t like big changes and there’s not much encouraging people to 11 except 10 going EOL.
Why did the emoji picker of W11 get so fucking downgraded?