Here and Here for sources that back up the claims made in this tweet. Additional source for backing up the number of journalists killed in the Vietnam war
The sources for Vietnam and WW2 are in the second link. It should be noted that nowadays there’s much more journalists than ever before. Unlike WW2 and Vietnam journalists were able to avoid areas of potential conflict more easily rather than in Gaza where Israels approach of bombing the shit out of the small strip of land has meant there virtually no place where a journalist reporting on their actions can safely do so.
Also I added a third source to the post which corroborates the Vietnam estimate.
As upsetting as that number is, this is an absolutely meaningless comparison and is pretty misleading to compare them. That number should stand on its own.
The number killed by itself does that is what I’m saying. Using WWII data has no purpose because this is an entirely different conflict and also is in the modern era.
I mean consider how many more people now are journalists. Or how the conflict heavily involves civilian populations directly (WWII did some). Or how our data collection has changed.
Those that target journalists are declaring war on the truth itself
Very poetic and all, but utterly devoid of pragmatism. The western world has lost its thread and failed to understand the importance of its moral positioning.
Wikileaks
Snowden
Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi
The west and western journalism have learned and presented as fact all the wrong lessons from this time in history. We need stronger protections for journalism and free speech and assuming the value of morality to be enough to protect them clearly has not been working.
It could be a factor, no doubt. But considering a couple of anecdotes. One where the IDF opened fire unto a jeep clearly identified as press on the border with Lebanon. And the fact that they’ve also killed hundreds of UN staffers on Gaza during this past month alone. I’m inclined to think that Israel is being at best reckless, at worst intentionally malicious with who they’re targeting. Either way they don’t care about who they kill in their murderous warpath.
They literally called or message a press person while live on tv reporting, telling them evacuate your home we are going to bomb it. It is definitely malicious.
Now why the number is high? Well no one in mainstream media care about telling the Truth so more people are doing that to help take footage, because without a picture and a video people don’t care to believe written words.
The idf killed a journalist from Al jazzera only a few years ago and then denied that they did anything, then they claimed some other bullshit and then the US got involved wanting to examine the ballistics. This whole song and dance eventually led to the idf admitting that they did kill the journalist who had her helmet and pass on clear display.
The IDF lied for months they didn’t shoot her even with all the evidence pointing against them. And when the wind blew over they went “yeah we did it lol”.
The IDF strategy seems to be to just Shaggy defense everything. Somehow people are still believing anything they say so I guess lying pays off?
Israel bombed a press squad last week with all the right equipment and a clearly marked press sign on vehicle near the Lebanese border. There were no other people near them.
The IDF terrorists could easily see from their drone that they were journalists. Yet they still bombed them. These are israeli terror attacks hoping to deter journalist from covering their war crimes.
Not to justify them, but is it remotely possible their fear is that terrorists would likely label themselves as press in order to get close to targets?
If this was 2001 maybe. These days cameras from drones can count the grass leaves in a field.
This is the same IDF terrorist group that shot Shireen Abu Akleh two years ago for no reason and then straight up lied they didn’t do it for half a year. And then they admitted they “might have done it” .
I hate that I feel like I have to disclaimer that this is just thinking, and not justification or anything… But it’s a sensitive topic
But my thought is if we considered all bloggers as journalists… I feel like we’d have to consider people in WW2 who kept journals as well.
Again, not trying to take away from anything. I guess I just think considering internet hobbies as professions is weird in general. Like “rapper kills rapper” news story… But the rappers have a few songs on SoundCloud with like 10 listens.
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Conclusion is, there are a lot more journalists around war situations now, willing to take a lot of risk, than there were in older days.
Joke asside though, it’s too many deaths, not only on journalists but in all
Uh no Israel are the good guys. They told me so.
Yes. And those journalists were probably out to make Israel look bad by using facts.
They didn’t condonm ham ass.
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I can’t find any source for the numbers from Vietnam and WW2 in the linked sources.
The sources for Vietnam and WW2 are in the second link. It should be noted that nowadays there’s much more journalists than ever before. Unlike WW2 and Vietnam journalists were able to avoid areas of potential conflict more easily rather than in Gaza where Israels approach of bombing the shit out of the small strip of land has meant there virtually no place where a journalist reporting on their actions can safely do so.
Also I added a third source to the post which corroborates the Vietnam estimate.
As upsetting as that number is, this is an absolutely meaningless comparison and is pretty misleading to compare them. That number should stand on its own.
Not really because it shows just how reckless towards human life the IDF have been
The number killed by itself does that is what I’m saying. Using WWII data has no purpose because this is an entirely different conflict and also is in the modern era.
I mean consider how many more people now are journalists. Or how the conflict heavily involves civilian populations directly (WWII did some). Or how our data collection has changed.
Not to diminish their journalistic qualities, but some of them are clearly on the level of “Russia Today” but in arab edition
That’s literally diminishing their journalism…
You’re seeing politics, when the simple truth is just that we’ve gotten much better at killing journalists.
Show me proof they were targeted. Hanging out in a battlefield while bombs are falling, doesn’t mean you were the target
Very poetic and all, but utterly devoid of pragmatism. The western world has lost its thread and failed to understand the importance of its moral positioning.
Wikileaks
Snowden
Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi
The west and western journalism have learned and presented as fact all the wrong lessons from this time in history. We need stronger protections for journalism and free speech and assuming the value of morality to be enough to protect them clearly has not been working.
Just asking, is this mostly due to more journalists, or due to more people calling themselves journalists? Or both
It could be a factor, no doubt. But considering a couple of anecdotes. One where the IDF opened fire unto a jeep clearly identified as press on the border with Lebanon. And the fact that they’ve also killed hundreds of UN staffers on Gaza during this past month alone. I’m inclined to think that Israel is being at best reckless, at worst intentionally malicious with who they’re targeting. Either way they don’t care about who they kill in their murderous warpath.
They literally called or message a press person while live on tv reporting, telling them evacuate your home we are going to bomb it. It is definitely malicious.
Now why the number is high? Well no one in mainstream media care about telling the Truth so more people are doing that to help take footage, because without a picture and a video people don’t care to believe written words.
This video disagrees with you. Israel intentionally targets and bombs journalists. This is a fact.
https://youtu.be/RIymozNfp4U?si=Ja-5qjPhLfUvcvwh
The idf killed a journalist from Al jazzera only a few years ago and then denied that they did anything, then they claimed some other bullshit and then the US got involved wanting to examine the ballistics. This whole song and dance eventually led to the idf admitting that they did kill the journalist who had her helmet and pass on clear display.
Shireen Abu Akleh.
The IDF lied for months they didn’t shoot her even with all the evidence pointing against them. And when the wind blew over they went “yeah we did it lol”.
The IDF strategy seems to be to just Shaggy defense everything. Somehow people are still believing anything they say so I guess lying pays off?
Both, but lots of know nothing running around a battlefield calling themselves reporters is a bigger issue these days
Israel bombed a press squad last week with all the right equipment and a clearly marked press sign on vehicle near the Lebanese border. There were no other people near them.
The IDF terrorists could easily see from their drone that they were journalists. Yet they still bombed them. These are israeli terror attacks hoping to deter journalist from covering their war crimes.
https://youtu.be/RIymozNfp4U?si=XPaurLdJgkO1VhC_
Also this one nearly missing a squad of journalists is very a clearly Targeted IDF terror attack.
https://youtu.be/tjtoslFkPm8?si=V_5LG-GcmJ3cTKz3
Not to justify them, but is it remotely possible their fear is that terrorists would likely label themselves as press in order to get close to targets?
If this was 2001 maybe. These days cameras from drones can count the grass leaves in a field.
This is the same IDF terrorist group that shot Shireen Abu Akleh two years ago for no reason and then straight up lied they didn’t do it for half a year. And then they admitted they “might have done it” .
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I know, this isn’t a fun question, but it’s honest curiosity…
Do you think a contributing factor in the number difference is the amount of modern “journalist”? Like bloggers being considered journalists?
But in the end, it’s all fucked up and every death is a tragedy, no matter the profession or side.
Hey maybe the first guy who went around taking pictures of shit for the newspaper was considered insane by some.
Idk, but mb yhe they are our generation’s addition to journalism
I hate that I feel like I have to disclaimer that this is just thinking, and not justification or anything… But it’s a sensitive topic
But my thought is if we considered all bloggers as journalists… I feel like we’d have to consider people in WW2 who kept journals as well.
Again, not trying to take away from anything. I guess I just think considering internet hobbies as professions is weird in general. Like “rapper kills rapper” news story… But the rappers have a few songs on SoundCloud with like 10 listens.
Welcome to the future ig, no one said it would be what we thought
I googled the names of a few of these guys and they got pictures with the blue “bulletproof” press outfit on and are real journalists.
Sadly these people don’t seem to be random bloggers.
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