As Windows 10 end of life approaches, analysts are concerned that millions of devices will be scrapped due to incompatibility
Windows 10 end of life could prompt torrent of e-waste as 240 million devices set for scrapheap::As Windows 10 end of life approaches, analysts are concerned that millions of devices will be scrapped due to incompatibility
How many non-tech people actually know about this? And how many of that small percentage are actually going to toss their computer as a result of it?
Because for the average computer user, they will never wonder why there are no more updates. And as long as their computer still browses the internet they don’t care even if you notify them.
Microsoft tried for years to get people off of fucking internet explorer and barely succeeded.
It’s like the old 32 bit to 64 bit jump - care will be needed or a competitor might sieze the market as people get disgruntled over the cost of upgrading.
There never was really a 32-bit to 64-bit jump, there wasn’t really one from 16 to 32 either. When does adoption from both happened fairly far after the CPUs were common and backwards compatibility with x86 was why it never was an issue unless you tried to run beta software or had NVIDIA chipset drivers early on.
Curious what you’re using. Ms office kinda sucked but LibreOffice works incredibly well, and Adobe products last I tried (years ago) sucked. But gimp and DaVinci resolve work great. Most of my games run absolutely fine. For everything else you just need a web browser and those have worked great always.
Yeah office products and vide editors have Linux alternatives, but to me the main offenders are Native Instruments Maschine (proprietary USB controller that doesn’t work in Linux + software that doesn’t work in Linux) and DTP software like Affinity Publisher or Adobe Indesign that have no Linux equivalent.
I’m lookin into running those things in a Windows KVM in Linux though but it’s quite the project.
Wine or emulation? When I had to use Windows for work I used WSL to run my tooling and didn’t notice any performance degradation. Does it apply too vice versa?
Although I’m with you on the hardware side. Because I have an Nvidia card my Linux install has been relegated for personal projects only. I already have a workstation supplied by my employer for work.
Sadly the things I need don’t work in Wine, Proton etc. I’m looking into running a Windows KVM with hardware pass through, but it’s quite the project, and requires a second GPU that I don’t have.
This will be interesting, maybe this will push for huge adoption for linux. This could also mean a lot of old hardware that are still very capable goes to 2nd hand market in turn lowering prices for pc. Or nothing happens and most of the people will be in a compromise OS for years similar to what happen with windows xp debacle. There also another situation where Microsoft does backtrack on its decision and the same status quo would remain for years to come.
I am hoping for this but unless Microsoft puts a banner on 10 saying you should switch because x,y,z I don’t see it happening for a majority because a lot of people probably don’t even know how to install windows from scratch.
Nah.
Google decides to ban your account for whatever reason, and your files and mails are gone, and you can’t even login to your computer.
Linux is just as easy as windows nowadays, and in some cases even better for gaming.
Where does the assumption that owners of these devices care about updates comes from? I regularly see people still using Windows 7, willing to use sketchy workarounds to continue using it. We all wish that this would mean The Year Of The Linux Desktop in 2025, but that would mean users would have to suddenly start caring about their OS.
Ok so if you built a computer in like 2019 or 2020 it’s only 4-5 years old. This was before windows 11 came out. 4-5 years is not that old for a computer, especially if you built a good one.
Why cheap, why separate? Just use your current one and slap in another disk. I’ve been doing it for decades. Many games run surprisingly well in Linux, sometimes even better than windows
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How many non-tech people actually know about this? And how many of that small percentage are actually going to toss their computer as a result of it?
Because for the average computer user, they will never wonder why there are no more updates. And as long as their computer still browses the internet they don’t care even if you notify them.
Microsoft tried for years to get people off of fucking internet explorer and barely succeeded.
Do you really think that Microsoft is going to let these people exist in ignorant bliss?
You underestimate people’s ability to dismiss pop ups and notifications without retaining any of the information in them.
I’m definitely not, I work in IT 🤣 That doesn’t mean Microsoft won’t try.
It’s like the old 32 bit to 64 bit jump - care will be needed or a competitor might sieze the market as people get disgruntled over the cost of upgrading.
There never was really a 32-bit to 64-bit jump, there wasn’t really one from 16 to 32 either. When does adoption from both happened fairly far after the CPUs were common and backwards compatibility with x86 was why it never was an issue unless you tried to run beta software or had NVIDIA chipset drivers early on.
There is a compatibility overlap (we’re currently in it!).
Another way to say this is the master race are about to upgrade their hardware
Or upgrade to OS that gaben chosen
If only it ran the software and hardware I use…
Curious what you’re using. Ms office kinda sucked but LibreOffice works incredibly well, and Adobe products last I tried (years ago) sucked. But gimp and DaVinci resolve work great. Most of my games run absolutely fine. For everything else you just need a web browser and those have worked great always.
Yeah office products and vide editors have Linux alternatives, but to me the main offenders are Native Instruments Maschine (proprietary USB controller that doesn’t work in Linux + software that doesn’t work in Linux) and DTP software like Affinity Publisher or Adobe Indesign that have no Linux equivalent.
I’m lookin into running those things in a Windows KVM in Linux though but it’s quite the project.
Ya that’s a tough one :(
Wine or emulation? When I had to use Windows for work I used WSL to run my tooling and didn’t notice any performance degradation. Does it apply too vice versa?
Although I’m with you on the hardware side. Because I have an Nvidia card my Linux install has been relegated for personal projects only. I already have a workstation supplied by my employer for work.
Sadly the things I need don’t work in Wine, Proton etc. I’m looking into running a Windows KVM with hardware pass through, but it’s quite the project, and requires a second GPU that I don’t have.
Where can i get this waste .my linux pengiun will love it🤩.but it saddens me that people relay on windows so much.
Windows 10 should not require such a short life time. 11 isnt much different other than the security\TPM chip shit. And 11 is fucking terrible UX
This will be interesting, maybe this will push for huge adoption for linux. This could also mean a lot of old hardware that are still very capable goes to 2nd hand market in turn lowering prices for pc. Or nothing happens and most of the people will be in a compromise OS for years similar to what happen with windows xp debacle. There also another situation where Microsoft does backtrack on its decision and the same status quo would remain for years to come.
I am hoping for this but unless Microsoft puts a banner on 10 saying you should switch because x,y,z I don’t see it happening for a majority because a lot of people probably don’t even know how to install windows from scratch.
Google should be pushing ChromeOS towards people and businesses with this kind of hardware. It’s a perfect way to capture market share from Microsoft.
Nah. Google decides to ban your account for whatever reason, and your files and mails are gone, and you can’t even login to your computer. Linux is just as easy as windows nowadays, and in some cases even better for gaming.
Where does the assumption that owners of these devices care about updates comes from? I regularly see people still using Windows 7, willing to use sketchy workarounds to continue using it. We all wish that this would mean The Year Of The Linux Desktop in 2025, but that would mean users would have to suddenly start caring about their OS.
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There’s a lot of stuff that still doesn’t run on linux as far as I know.
Ok so if you built a computer in like 2019 or 2020 it’s only 4-5 years old. This was before windows 11 came out. 4-5 years is not that old for a computer, especially if you built a good one.
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I have a ryzen 3800X and an x570 motherboard. It was one of the best motherboards at the time. No TPM support. You’re wrong.
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Ryzen 7 3800X Asus ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING
It’s also CPU generation, unless that’s changed since the last time I looked.
I have a 12 year old computer that runs Windows 10 perfectly fine.
Haha, “bothered to upgrade”. What upgrade?
It’s corporations. My company is currently upgrading a shit ton of PCs before our windows 11 push.
Embrace Linux and open source software
Hyperbolic bullshit. Incompatibility, my ass.
I don’t know how to install Windows 11 and I’m totally ok with it. I’ve been on linux for about 10 years.
Literally the same way, just takes 2000× longer.
Im still on a t430 🤷♀️
2013 Dell XPS i7-4470 up in this jawn.
Toshiba L745 i5 2430M here, still roaring
Cool, I need some cheap Linux servers to build out my home lab
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Great time to buy a cheap used PC for linux
Why cheap, why separate? Just use your current one and slap in another disk. I’ve been doing it for decades. Many games run surprisingly well in Linux, sometimes even better than windows