‘Enshittification’ is coming for absolutely everything::The term describes the slow decay of online platforms such as Facebook. But what if we’ve entered the ‘enshittocene’?
We just need to go back to paying for services. Free free free everything forever is not a sustainable business model. That’s why the big players just sell you to advertisers instead. And everyone is getting pretty grossed out about how much data that actually takes on you, so we’re passing privacy laws. Those laws mean these services can’t be free anymore.
Streaming services are paid and they are enshittifying just as fast as anything else, if not faster. No, it’s not that we aren’t paying enough and this is a desperate measure to make up for our neglect. This is corporate greed. Even when they have sustainable business models, that isn’t enough.
Also, I worry how societal inequality might increase if the whole internet becomes subscription based, if people can’t get informed or communicate without paying (more than their internet service, even)
Streaming services were charging way under what they needed to to be sustainable when everyone is on them. Netflix for $10 a month with all the content is not sustainable. Think about how much mom and dad paid every month for cable. The media industry costs money to run.
I straight up do not believe that a company can provide a service for over a decade and not be charging enough to be sustainable. The CEO can come and say this to my face and I’ll call them a LIAR. One or a couple years I could buy the idea of investors holding it up for the sake of establishing the business, but why would they be accepting losses for such a long time? This is funky accounting. I’m more inclined to think “it was not sustainable, we need to charge more” is just something they say when they think they can get away with squeezing more money from customers.
I didn’t say they were operating at a loss, I said they were unsustainable. They’ve been profitable since 2003, but their profit relies on content. With everyone else pulling their content, their cash flow needs to be huge to produce content they can use to attract customers. $10 per subscriber isn’t enough income to sustain the cash flow needed to produce that much content, so they raise their prices to become sustainable. When they relied on licensing content from rights holders, their expenses were smaller, but they have been losing the ability to rely on that.
Yes. This is the silent problem of enormous wealth inequality in the US. As the middle class disappears, fewer people are able to pay small fees to contribute to things like local news, community organizations, and online services.
If a service becomes shitty it is almost always due to corporate greed. It usually starts with data-mining your subscribers without their knowledge or consent. Then it moves on to making the service itself worse by introducing advertising and making changes to the interface that forces them to VIEW those ads instead of the content they came for.
It was coming for absolutely everything since 2013 at least.
I will never forget the day when Creative Suite was no longer a thing. I will never forget the day when Apple flattened iOS. I will never forget the day when the Xbox One was announced.
Can you believe their modern products are basically a continuation of what they started back in 2013? This is why it’s the worst year of all time.
Fr the longest time, I got Prime because of Prime. The ebooks and videos were just an included bonus. The bonus going to shit doesn’t change what the original decision was based on.
Prime video has been on this road for a long time, as videos with ads took o paver more and more of its Home Screen. It got more and more annoying clicking past the clutter of “FreeVee” videos to find stuff I wanted to watch, but I guess it’s all stuff to click past now
I often wonder: can we start over? Like, can we just do MySpace again?..or have another YouTube that’s like before Google bought it? If we hate how tech bros have destroyed the fun, is there a way to redux the pre-tech bro wonder years?
I think the Fediverse is not doomed any time soon. In other areas XMPP is an example of an open source software based protocol since long and still being around, with active projects, and attempts to make things easier, like Snikket : https://snikket.org
Me personally I have just accepted this is the way it is going to be. The company makes a good product and then it stops making a good product, I move on.
I wish it wouldn’t come to products… I understand the need to make a profit, but it shouldn’t come at the cost of landfilling perfectly good hardware. I’d love just an affordable tablet with 5+ years of updates and an unlocked boot loader maybe with NO battery, and just a USB
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CD is a beast. One hell of a great guy.
I have actually donated money to some of his more worthy causes before.
Ft It’s kind of a s*** hole though. And for the paywall to abruptly block you outright not a single word not a hook, which is kind of weird because it’s a little bit against what he stands for I know it’s not apples to apples…
I read the article. It’s kind of disappointing, somewhat of a Nothing Burger.
Not just a paywall, but a cookie dialog taking up more than my whole phone screen, where you have to click into it to “reject all” (and it doesn’t reject all), just to get to the paywall
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We just need to go back to paying for services. Free free free everything forever is not a sustainable business model. That’s why the big players just sell you to advertisers instead. And everyone is getting pretty grossed out about how much data that actually takes on you, so we’re passing privacy laws. Those laws mean these services can’t be free anymore.
Good. They shouldn’t be free.
It is not a sustainable business model because when it becomes paid people will realize they don’t need them.
Streaming services are paid and they are enshittifying just as fast as anything else, if not faster. No, it’s not that we aren’t paying enough and this is a desperate measure to make up for our neglect. This is corporate greed. Even when they have sustainable business models, that isn’t enough.
Also, I worry how societal inequality might increase if the whole internet becomes subscription based, if people can’t get informed or communicate without paying (more than their internet service, even)
Streaming services were charging way under what they needed to to be sustainable when everyone is on them. Netflix for $10 a month with all the content is not sustainable. Think about how much mom and dad paid every month for cable. The media industry costs money to run.
But yes, a portion of it is corporate greed.
That said, yo ho yo ho, 🏴☠️
I straight up do not believe that a company can provide a service for over a decade and not be charging enough to be sustainable. The CEO can come and say this to my face and I’ll call them a LIAR. One or a couple years I could buy the idea of investors holding it up for the sake of establishing the business, but why would they be accepting losses for such a long time? This is funky accounting. I’m more inclined to think “it was not sustainable, we need to charge more” is just something they say when they think they can get away with squeezing more money from customers.
I didn’t say they were operating at a loss, I said they were unsustainable. They’ve been profitable since 2003, but their profit relies on content. With everyone else pulling their content, their cash flow needs to be huge to produce content they can use to attract customers. $10 per subscriber isn’t enough income to sustain the cash flow needed to produce that much content, so they raise their prices to become sustainable. When they relied on licensing content from rights holders, their expenses were smaller, but they have been losing the ability to rely on that.
Yes. This is the silent problem of enormous wealth inequality in the US. As the middle class disappears, fewer people are able to pay small fees to contribute to things like local news, community organizations, and online services.
If a service becomes shitty it is almost always due to corporate greed. It usually starts with data-mining your subscribers without their knowledge or consent. Then it moves on to making the service itself worse by introducing advertising and making changes to the interface that forces them to VIEW those ads instead of the content they came for.
It’s the bubble popping and its glorious.
It was coming for absolutely everything since 2013 at least.
I will never forget the day when Creative Suite was no longer a thing. I will never forget the day when Apple flattened iOS. I will never forget the day when the Xbox One was announced.
Can you believe their modern products are basically a continuation of what they started back in 2013? This is why it’s the worst year of all time.
It WAS coming for everything, but it’s been here awhile now.
I really feel it now that Prime and Netflix have ads in the middle of their content.
If everyone who complained about ads in Prime and Netflix canceled their accounts, then Prime and Netflix would be motivated to remove their ads.
The minute I got the prime notification I went and canceled immediately. And same with Netflix, I wish more people would do the same.
Fr the longest time, I got Prime because of Prime. The ebooks and videos were just an included bonus. The bonus going to shit doesn’t change what the original decision was based on.
Prime video has been on this road for a long time, as videos with ads took o paver more and more of its Home Screen. It got more and more annoying clicking past the clutter of “FreeVee” videos to find stuff I wanted to watch, but I guess it’s all stuff to click past now
I often wonder: can we start over? Like, can we just do MySpace again?..or have another YouTube that’s like before Google bought it? If we hate how tech bros have destroyed the fun, is there a way to redux the pre-tech bro wonder years?
Even if a great new service or product comes along it alway just gets bought out by somme billionaire
I think the Fediverse is not doomed any time soon. In other areas XMPP is an example of an open source software based protocol since long and still being around, with active projects, and attempts to make things easier, like Snikket : https://snikket.org
Me personally I have just accepted this is the way it is going to be. The company makes a good product and then it stops making a good product, I move on.
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Dude, I was trying to deal with the fucking Fullscreen cookie popup when the subscribe to unlock bullshit popped up and I just closed it immediately
Couldn’t send that point home any harder
Yeah you might as well give up… everything is lost…it’s never going to get better but can you put me in your will plz? I want that bag of Cheetos
Okay that’s it, it’s been overused.
I wish it wouldn’t come to products… I understand the need to make a profit, but it shouldn’t come at the cost of landfilling perfectly good hardware. I’d love just an affordable tablet with 5+ years of updates and an unlocked boot loader maybe with NO battery, and just a USB
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So, not unlike, say… “Ow, My Balls!” era IRL? That tracks.
A link to an article about enshittification that’s just a solid paywall…
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This would be a meme by itself:
When your only claim to fame is jamming the word “shit” into other words…
You need to milk all that ad money out of it you can.
FWIW Cory Doctorow was famous before coining that word. He’s done a lot of great work. You should research before saying things.
So many accomplishments you couldn’t even name a single one if you tried!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Doctorow
Yeah, I saw those on Wikipedia…
Honestly the only impressive bit was an xkcd character is based on him.
Like, you know it’s not amount the amount of awards, it’s the quality?
Like those Prometheus awards, those are just for libertarians and they have like five winners a year.
And most people have zero.
I don’t think you understand how many awards there are for writing…
Do you know about any of those or do you assume any award is prestigious?
So hard to lift a finger to do the work yourself while you’re shitposting. Follow your own handle’s advice.
CD is a beast. One hell of a great guy. I have actually donated money to some of his more worthy causes before.
Ft It’s kind of a s*** hole though. And for the paywall to abruptly block you outright not a single word not a hook, which is kind of weird because it’s a little bit against what he stands for I know it’s not apples to apples…
I read the article. It’s kind of disappointing, somewhat of a Nothing Burger.
Not just a paywall, but a cookie dialog taking up more than my whole phone screen, where you have to click into it to “reject all” (and it doesn’t reject all), just to get to the paywall
Which does answer the question very succinctly.
A paywall you find only after you have to manually reject cookies. Done? Okay, here’s your paywall!
https://i.imgur.com/Al6GCMW.png
HAHAHAHAHA
“See? Look!”
This article brought to you by the ultimate enshittifier of news, the Financial Times. The reason’s in the name!
Corporate greed is ruining everything, as per… But hey! We have a cool edgy new tech term for it now!