G.M. had provided information about braking, acceleration and speed to LexisNexis Risk Solution and Verisk, firms that generated driver risk profiles for insurers.
The decision followed a New York Times report this month that G.M. had, for years, been sharing data about drivers’ mileage, braking, acceleration and speed with the insurance industry. The drivers were enrolled — some unknowingly, they said — in OnStar Smart Driver, a feature in G.M.’s internet-connected cars that collected data about how the car had been driven and promised feedback and digital badges for good driving.
I’d like a resource that lists each model of car and the last year they were made without data connections, or ones that depended on subscriptions that you can just decline or easily disable. I have a car from 2013 but am wondering if I should upgrade it to a latest good model before people start preferring those and the used price goes up even more.
I just bought a dryer and it had a piece of paper taped to it that said “By using this appliance you agree to have all disputes handled by third-party arbitration by the party of our choice.”
IDK, the ability to remote activate climate control, start/stop charging and control charge power to match my solar power are all quite good reasons for me to have my car connected.
We should be able to have nice things without surveillance. We shouldn’t refrain from these things, we should legislate so they’re not allowed to collect data and share it without explicit consent.
That stuff should be operable on a published and standardized protocol that third-party units can easily talk to. Put in your own little control box with cellular transceiver.
Honestly I disagree. That kind of features should absolutely be included and standard. I shouldn’t have to buy 3rd party hardware to modify my car and pay for extra cellular service for it.
Customers would probably like if manufacturers include a unit that uses the standardized protocol, yes.
Are you not paying the manufacturer for the cellular service to run the climate control? That’s nice but doesn’t sound typical to me. I’d like to choose my own, or decline the cell service and have it only available from my wifi.
Of course you are, either it’s baked into the cost of the car, or you are paying for it in personal data. So it may be hidden, but you’re absolutely paying for it.
Agreed. Also it reduces costs significantly if issues can be remotely inspected and fixed. Software updates regularly get sent to new vehicles that would have cost a lot of time and money to do at a dealership.
Yes, they shouldn’t be sharing your data. Yes you should be getting compensated if you opt into data sharing.
How far away do you need to start your car? Wouldn’t a regular remote start on a key fob work for most situations? Unless you’re taking the bus to your car.
I start the AC from my office which is probably 2-300m from my car with a large building between. That’s far outside the range of a key FOB, but it’s nice and cold in the summer (or warm on the winter) when I get to it.
This might be a stupid question, but this wouldn’t have anything to do with a lot of onstar units not being able to connect to 4g now that 3g is being phased out, now would it?
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I’m going to be driving my cars from 2016 and 2014 forever, aren’t I?
I’d like a resource that lists each model of car and the last year they were made without data connections, or ones that depended on subscriptions that you can just decline or easily disable. I have a car from 2013 but am wondering if I should upgrade it to a latest good model before people start preferring those and the used price goes up even more.
Not sharing the driving behavior… for now. Any faucet that can be turned off can be turned on again.
Yup. I’ll trust them when they let us turn it off and on.
“for now”
Stopped sharing… until they can manage the pr? No way they’re letting go of that revenue stream.
The class action lawsuit will wipe out that piddly revenue stream a hundred times over.
Oh sorry, Supreme Court has been working overtime the last decade to limit those. Probably thrown out.
I just bought a dryer and it had a piece of paper taped to it that said “By using this appliance you agree to have all disputes handled by third-party arbitration by the party of our choice.”
For a fucking dryer.
We can only hope.
Cut the power to the OnStar module and cut the wire to the cell antenna. Cars do not need to connect to the Internet… Ever
IDK, the ability to remote activate climate control, start/stop charging and control charge power to match my solar power are all quite good reasons for me to have my car connected.
We should be able to have nice things without surveillance. We shouldn’t refrain from these things, we should legislate so they’re not allowed to collect data and share it without explicit consent.
That stuff should be operable on a published and standardized protocol that third-party units can easily talk to. Put in your own little control box with cellular transceiver.
Honestly I disagree. That kind of features should absolutely be included and standard. I shouldn’t have to buy 3rd party hardware to modify my car and pay for extra cellular service for it.
Customers would probably like if manufacturers include a unit that uses the standardized protocol, yes.
Are you not paying the manufacturer for the cellular service to run the climate control? That’s nice but doesn’t sound typical to me. I’d like to choose my own, or decline the cell service and have it only available from my wifi.
No, I’m not.
I obviously would prefer open protocols and/or APIs for these things, but it should be possible without modding the car with additional hardware.
Of course you are, either it’s baked into the cost of the car, or you are paying for it in personal data. So it may be hidden, but you’re absolutely paying for it.
Yeah, that kind of goes without saying…
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Agreed. Also it reduces costs significantly if issues can be remotely inspected and fixed. Software updates regularly get sent to new vehicles that would have cost a lot of time and money to do at a dealership.
Yes, they shouldn’t be sharing your data. Yes you should be getting compensated if you opt into data sharing.
How far away do you need to start your car? Wouldn’t a regular remote start on a key fob work for most situations? Unless you’re taking the bus to your car.
I start the AC from my office which is probably 2-300m from my car with a large building between. That’s far outside the range of a key FOB, but it’s nice and cold in the summer (or warm on the winter) when I get to it.
This might be a stupid question, but this wouldn’t have anything to do with a lot of onstar units not being able to connect to 4g now that 3g is being phased out, now would it?
oh they pinky promised so it must be true