“Fuck you for not replacing your perfectly fine and still working 10 year old machine and making our line go up more. We’re gonna do our best to brick it because we want all of your money.”
Fuck capitalism. I will (and have been) doing my absolute to avoid buying any kind of physical device that requires an app to function
if I see something requires an app, no matter how good it is otherwise. the product is dead to me. I know it is, effectively, going to break within a year or two.
Currently trying to chase down some automatic sun shades that don’t need an app to do time-based cycles. Shouldn’t be this hard, but every band wants you to use absolute garbage apps.
Switchbot (hardware) and home assistant (controlling server) might fit your needs. It still would require an app, but home assistant is self hosted and is a fantastic automation platform. It won’t be as smooth as an all in one setup, but I find the tinkering is half the fun.
I’ve installed so many hardware items that are either “appless” and are controlled by home assistant or home assistant is compatible and replaced the app. Absolutely worth it IMO. I have been able to make a full self hosted/controlled and offline functional smart house.
yeah there are apps I want on my phone, but if anything says ‘there is an app’ I’m instantly averse.
even the things I do want phone apps for, I have to browse on fdroid because default options are all terrible. basic shit like file browsers and media players in commercial OS’s are just, like, vile and do not function. even if I didn’t care about the endoscopes they try to snake up every orifice, they are deliberately nonfunctional.
That’s fair, but the point I was trying to make was that I have tried and, for the one I’ve got at least, the app isn’t required. I’m not trying to defend them or anything, I just thought it was worth mentioning.
Tbh I’m kinda glad it doesn’t have an API, because I’d end up wasting a lot of time playing with it haha.
First Inwas like Yeeeah to all the “smart stuff”. But more and more I’m thinking - what happens to current cars after some time? When all the connected crap gets disconnected? Currently you can fix and drive any old piece of junk and drive it in theory forever. What happens when the smart cars lose connection to mothership? What happens when all the electronics go bad and there is no way to fix it? Same goes for your fridge, coffee maker, etc.
In the long run, having it all running Free Software is the only way to ensure it can be supported indefinitely. I have a zero-tolerance policy against proprietary software in my devices, and you should too.
My new microwave rotates for free!!. The 9 dollar MW subscription gets me 500W, the 15 dollar gets me 1500W and with the $30 monthly subscription I can get 3000W! It’s wonderful!
Honestly the Bluetooth app is dog shit. Haven’t used it in years because it’s far easier to just roll the dial. ANOVA should be paying me for distress.
You know, This kind of shit happens so frequently anymore that if you’re dumb enough to buy things that, for absolutely no reason, requires an internet connection and/or an app… Then you deserve what you get.
“Its not my fault that I bought a stupid device for $$$Texas more than a normal product and created the market for it, its their fault for making it available for me to choose to buy!”
Yes, because a corpo bootlicker is gonna tell you to stop buying their overpriced crap and creating a market for it
Cause corpo bootlickers are notorious for wanting to harm the companies that do stupid and/or bad
Fucking galaxy brain over here, thinking hes a genius cause hes a literal parrot repeating tidbits of what other people said without any consideration for thought or context.
You can’t keep throwing money at these awful companies, buying these awful products, and expect them to fucking stop. at some point you’re gonna have to fucking admit you’re gonna have to make a sacrifice and actually fucking speak with your wallet.
It’s sometimes hard to find, I needed a new stove, all the ones I could afford and that had what we needed had a fucking internet connection. I fucking hate it.
Find a scratch and dent place near you. Thats pretty much where I get all my appliances. Often the cosmetic issues are not even noticable, and if they are, they are often in a place that you wont see since they’ll be hidden by cabinets or what have you.
I’m quite remote, there aren’t very many options where I am, otherwise that would have been a great option. But whatever it was, it would have had to be compatible with propane which makes it a bit trickier.
I’m not being sarcastic or attacking or anything, but I find that hard to believe. I spent 2 minutes before posting this looking at ranges and ovens (I dont know if you’re talking about a complete stove unit (burners on top of an oven in a self contained stand alone package) or the oven unit that mounts into a wall, so I looked at both in that time) and I found tons that were cheap (well, cheap as far as these devices ago at least) and none of them had smart connectivity.
It wasnt until I was getting into the high cost items that were $5000+ that smart stuff started appearing.
Almost all ranges are propane compatible but will require the effort of installing the (included) propane conversion kit. The exception is Frigidaire, where the kit has to be purchased separately.
FYI, most of Whirlpool’s range lineup (including Amana, Maytag and the non-“Pro” KitchenAid models), all of Frigidaire’s range lineup, most of GE’s base line range lineup (not Profile or Café) do not have Wi-Fi capability. It’s mostly Samsung and LG pathologically putting connectivity into everything they make.
What features did you need that you couldn’t avoid connectivity? I just queried my own product database and came up with 202 models that are LP compatible without purchase of a kit and do not have Wi-Fi capability. 261 if you’re willing to countenance Frigidaire. And even among most of those that do have connectivity (KitchenAid’s “Pro” models being an irritating exception) you don’t need to connect to Wi-Fi or use the app for any functionality of the appliance; it’s just an extra.
Hey, I may be a random idiot, but I’ve never fuckin paid a 300%+ premium for a smart device, nor cried when it predictably either died early or started charging for use because corporate fuckery.
You had the choice to not buy it, You can not in the year 2024, not be aware of how this shit always, inevitably goes down.
I wish people would stop threatening companies switching to subscription that they’ll lose business. The c-suite know they’ll lose much of the current customer base. They’re banking on the data telling them that the market acceptance of their product is gaining traction with new customers.
That will float them until they tell grandfathered users to go screw themselves and will face all sorts of new charges to use their app as previously established.
This is what happens when you have companies run by MBAs and lawyers. They respond to the data, and as long as the data says any negative responses can be overcome in some other way, they’ll do it. They don’t care about their clientele (or their employees for that matter). They care about the extra millions of dollars they were promised for the degrees they paid for.
Start finding alternate solutions to any product that connects to the internet. Then they can’t spy on you or handcuff a sub fee to their product.
I personally think it’s perfectly reasonable for a company to eventually start charging for a service they provide that costs them money to provide. They might bakenin some number of years into the product price, but they can’t keep providing the service for free forever.
It seems like something that should be expected if we do want certain services to be provided and maintained. Heck, I also think that offering a subscription is better than the usual alternative, which is that the company just shuts the service down.
However, the way this is done is almost always slimy and shitty and likely is only going to get solved by regulation.
It’s incredibly rare that IOT devices NEED cloud integration. Most of the time it really SHOULD just be local-only, or have a local option.
If they are going to start charging for something to continue to work, unless there was already an explicit agreement that - and when - this would happen, they need to provide an alternative.
Either documentation or open software for how an alternate cloud - including local - could be used instead.
That info really should be mandatory to be made available beforehand in case the company shuts down.
The subscription fee needs to be reasonable.
Personally, I think $24/year is still far too much, but it’s still WAY more reasonable than some I’ve seen.
Part of the problem comes when companies go out of their way to provide a service on their end that could be covered reasonably easily on the consumer’s side of things. Why put a few cents worth of storage in a device and make it locally accessible when you can make it cloud-connected and hosted to turn it into a revenue stream?
Another example, GM has had OnStar for ages. It does the same things your cell phone does, so it’s hard to justify the subscription. Plus Android Auto/Car Play works really well and relies on something you update more often. So naturally, GM revamped their infotainment to do the things you’d have your phone do and got rid of Android Auto/Car Play.
Thing is they needed to factor this j to the cost of selling the device.
It basically costs them nothing to ru the service for this device. If they failed to calculate that as part of the sale price, that’s not the consumers fault.
It’s all pure CEO bullshit though, and none of it is real.
It doesn’t cost money to send a Bluetooth signal from your phone to a sous vide. Maybe the WiFi server costs money but it’s their own fault for adding stupid functionality that phones home.
I’ve got one of these and I’m prepared to bet money that almost all of their server costs come down to every recipe in the app just being a link to a web page with lots of photos. https://recipes.anovaculinary.com/
“Our community has literally cooked 100s of millions of times with our app. Unfortunately, each connected cook costs us money.”
The cooker, It’s FUCKING Bluetooth. It doesn’t need to call home, it can’t call home. The App, It has a list of 35 different sous vide recipes that could live on the app. The app has no business calling home, they don’t need a server.
I passed on a lot of the fancier apartment buildings for requiring an app and a cell phone to gain access to your own home. I shouldn’t have to agree to an arbitration/class action waiver to use my own front door, I don’t feel comfortable with management getting a notification on their phone every time I come or go, I don’t like the fact that 20+ listed partner companies have access to sensitive personal data, and I shouldn’t have to wait for maintenance to show up in the middle of the night because I couldn’t make it back home before my personal tracking device died on me.
The sad thing is that most of these locking units cost these apartments hundreds of dollars each on top of a monthly subscription.
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Oh ffs… This is the one I have…
And, you know what? The firmware sucks.
You can’t even connect to wifi if you have two AP’s with the same name (which is literally everyone).
I haven’t even installed the app in ages because it’s a PITA and has never worked 100%.
But, they can guarantee my next one won’t be an anova again. There are much cheaper alternatives now
I’d recommend anova brand
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ah they were making a nice and lame pun (anova brand == another brand)
Translation:
“Fuck you for not replacing your perfectly fine and still working 10 year old machine and making our line go up more. We’re gonna do our best to brick it because we want all of your money.”
Fuck capitalism. I will (and have been) doing my absolute to avoid buying any kind of physical device that requires an app to function
if I see something requires an app, no matter how good it is otherwise. the product is dead to me. I know it is, effectively, going to break within a year or two.
I’m getting that same way.
Currently trying to chase down some automatic sun shades that don’t need an app to do time-based cycles. Shouldn’t be this hard, but every band wants you to use absolute garbage apps.
if its not open source; it doesn’t exist.
Switchbot (hardware) and home assistant (controlling server) might fit your needs. It still would require an app, but home assistant is self hosted and is a fantastic automation platform. It won’t be as smooth as an all in one setup, but I find the tinkering is half the fun.
I’ve installed so many hardware items that are either “appless” and are controlled by home assistant or home assistant is compatible and replaced the app. Absolutely worth it IMO. I have been able to make a full self hosted/controlled and offline functional smart house.
I have one of these, and I use it just fine without an app fwiw
you never know for sure until you try though, so if it requires an app, it’s dead to me and I don’t trust anything else the company makes.
if it has an API i get very wet very fast.
About two phone changes ago I never reinstalled the anova app.
It’s like pressing the buttons on top of the cooker with extra steps.
yeah there are apps I want on my phone, but if anything says ‘there is an app’ I’m instantly averse.
even the things I do want phone apps for, I have to browse on fdroid because default options are all terrible. basic shit like file browsers and media players in commercial OS’s are just, like, vile and do not function. even if I didn’t care about the endoscopes they try to snake up every orifice, they are deliberately nonfunctional.
That’s fair, but the point I was trying to make was that I have tried and, for the one I’ve got at least, the app isn’t required. I’m not trying to defend them or anything, I just thought it was worth mentioning.
Tbh I’m kinda glad it doesn’t have an API, because I’d end up wasting a lot of time playing with it haha.
see, if it had an API, I could integrate it into an open smart home app, and it would be cool as FUCK.
I bet the app requires cloud hosting for it to run, and its starting to eat away at the profits they made.
If it needs nothing but bluetooth, then this a pure money grab.
I forgot my ANOVA when I moved this summer. Now, I’m not that sorry I did.
Other than my computer, phone and xbox, I own nothing at all that can connect to the Internet. It’s incredibly stupid.
First Inwas like Yeeeah to all the “smart stuff”. But more and more I’m thinking - what happens to current cars after some time? When all the connected crap gets disconnected? Currently you can fix and drive any old piece of junk and drive it in theory forever. What happens when the smart cars lose connection to mothership? What happens when all the electronics go bad and there is no way to fix it? Same goes for your fridge, coffee maker, etc.
In the long run, having it all running Free Software is the only way to ensure it can be supported indefinitely. I have a zero-tolerance policy against proprietary software in my devices, and you should too.
My new microwave rotates for free!!. The 9 dollar MW subscription gets me 500W, the 15 dollar gets me 1500W and with the $30 monthly subscription I can get 3000W! It’s wonderful!
Honestly the Bluetooth app is dog shit. Haven’t used it in years because it’s far easier to just roll the dial. ANOVA should be paying me for distress.
You know, This kind of shit happens so frequently anymore that if you’re dumb enough to buy things that, for absolutely no reason, requires an internet connection and/or an app… Then you deserve what you get.
Yes let’s make this the consumers’ fault, what with their limitless power in this dystopian fuckscape
“Its not my fault that I bought a stupid device for $$$Texas more than a normal product and created the market for it, its their fault for making it available for me to choose to buy!”
Gross oversimplification of a complex issue by a corpo bootlicker? Color me shocked…
They control the market, idiot. As well as the regulatory mechanisms for it.
Yes, because a corpo bootlicker is gonna tell you to stop buying their overpriced crap and creating a market for it
Cause corpo bootlickers are notorious for wanting to harm the companies that do stupid and/or bad
Fucking galaxy brain over here, thinking hes a genius cause hes a literal parrot repeating tidbits of what other people said without any consideration for thought or context.
You can’t keep throwing money at these awful companies, buying these awful products, and expect them to fucking stop. at some point you’re gonna have to fucking admit you’re gonna have to make a sacrifice and actually fucking speak with your wallet.
There there, you are very smart, now piss off
It’s sometimes hard to find, I needed a new stove, all the ones I could afford and that had what we needed had a fucking internet connection. I fucking hate it.
Are you shopping at best buy?
No, home depot.
Find a scratch and dent place near you. Thats pretty much where I get all my appliances. Often the cosmetic issues are not even noticable, and if they are, they are often in a place that you wont see since they’ll be hidden by cabinets or what have you.
I’m quite remote, there aren’t very many options where I am, otherwise that would have been a great option. But whatever it was, it would have had to be compatible with propane which makes it a bit trickier.
I’m not being sarcastic or attacking or anything, but I find that hard to believe. I spent 2 minutes before posting this looking at ranges and ovens (I dont know if you’re talking about a complete stove unit (burners on top of an oven in a self contained stand alone package) or the oven unit that mounts into a wall, so I looked at both in that time) and I found tons that were cheap (well, cheap as far as these devices ago at least) and none of them had smart connectivity.
It wasnt until I was getting into the high cost items that were $5000+ that smart stuff started appearing.
I wish! The entire range is what we needed, had to be propane compatible, it was around 1k, at home depot. I genuinely try to avoid IoT bull shit.
Almost all ranges are propane compatible but will require the effort of installing the (included) propane conversion kit. The exception is Frigidaire, where the kit has to be purchased separately.
FYI, most of Whirlpool’s range lineup (including Amana, Maytag and the non-“Pro” KitchenAid models), all of Frigidaire’s range lineup, most of GE’s base line range lineup (not Profile or Café) do not have Wi-Fi capability. It’s mostly Samsung and LG pathologically putting connectivity into everything they make.
What features did you need that you couldn’t avoid connectivity? I just queried my own product database and came up with 202 models that are LP compatible without purchase of a kit and do not have Wi-Fi capability. 261 if you’re willing to countenance Frigidaire. And even among most of those that do have connectivity (KitchenAid’s “Pro” models being an irritating exception) you don’t need to connect to Wi-Fi or use the app for any functionality of the appliance; it’s just an extra.
I’m happy you were able to find all those example. I couldn’t. It’s too late in any case.
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Hey, I may be a random idiot, but I’ve never fuckin paid a 300%+ premium for a smart device, nor cried when it predictably either died early or started charging for use because corporate fuckery.
You had the choice to not buy it, You can not in the year 2024, not be aware of how this shit always, inevitably goes down.
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I wish people would stop threatening companies switching to subscription that they’ll lose business. The c-suite know they’ll lose much of the current customer base. They’re banking on the data telling them that the market acceptance of their product is gaining traction with new customers.
That will float them until they tell grandfathered users to go screw themselves and will face all sorts of new charges to use their app as previously established.
This is what happens when you have companies run by MBAs and lawyers. They respond to the data, and as long as the data says any negative responses can be overcome in some other way, they’ll do it. They don’t care about their clientele (or their employees for that matter). They care about the extra millions of dollars they were promised for the degrees they paid for.
Start finding alternate solutions to any product that connects to the internet. Then they can’t spy on you or handcuff a sub fee to their product.
I personally think it’s perfectly reasonable for a company to eventually start charging for a service they provide that costs them money to provide. They might bakenin some number of years into the product price, but they can’t keep providing the service for free forever.
It seems like something that should be expected if we do want certain services to be provided and maintained. Heck, I also think that offering a subscription is better than the usual alternative, which is that the company just shuts the service down.
However, the way this is done is almost always slimy and shitty and likely is only going to get solved by regulation.
Should be a no-brainer.
Part of the problem comes when companies go out of their way to provide a service on their end that could be covered reasonably easily on the consumer’s side of things. Why put a few cents worth of storage in a device and make it locally accessible when you can make it cloud-connected and hosted to turn it into a revenue stream?
Another example, GM has had OnStar for ages. It does the same things your cell phone does, so it’s hard to justify the subscription. Plus Android Auto/Car Play works really well and relies on something you update more often. So naturally, GM revamped their infotainment to do the things you’d have your phone do and got rid of Android Auto/Car Play.
Thing is they needed to factor this j to the cost of selling the device.
It basically costs them nothing to ru the service for this device. If they failed to calculate that as part of the sale price, that’s not the consumers fault.
It’s all pure CEO bullshit though, and none of it is real.
It doesn’t cost money to send a Bluetooth signal from your phone to a sous vide. Maybe the WiFi server costs money but it’s their own fault for adding stupid functionality that phones home.
I’ve got one of these and I’m prepared to bet money that almost all of their server costs come down to every recipe in the app just being a link to a web page with lots of photos. https://recipes.anovaculinary.com/
Wait
The cooker, It’s FUCKING Bluetooth. It doesn’t need to call home, it can’t call home. The App, It has a list of 35 different sous vide recipes that could live on the app. The app has no business calling home, they don’t need a server.
I passed on a lot of the fancier apartment buildings for requiring an app and a cell phone to gain access to your own home. I shouldn’t have to agree to an arbitration/class action waiver to use my own front door, I don’t feel comfortable with management getting a notification on their phone every time I come or go, I don’t like the fact that 20+ listed partner companies have access to sensitive personal data, and I shouldn’t have to wait for maintenance to show up in the middle of the night because I couldn’t make it back home before my personal tracking device died on me.
The sad thing is that most of these locking units cost these apartments hundreds of dollars each on top of a monthly subscription.
What the actual fuck. In what country do you live?
U.S… Not an actual tracking device, just a cell phone. I usually leave it at home, which would have been impossible to do at many of those buildings.