Is the Fairphone 5 just a repeat of a proven formula or a real improvement compared to its predecessors?
While they were happy with what the fairphone 4 brought to the table, they seem to like what was changed for the fairphone 5.
What are you guys’ opinions on this? A welcome change? would you get one if your phone died within the next year?
I like the concept, but without a truly open OS; like pinephone is doing with GNU/Linux, it’s still a device controlled by the most powerful company on the planet.
As a pine64 fan ( proud owner of pinecill and quartz64 as daily drivers ) , i rooting for them and the pinephone. I like the idea of a linux phone, but unsure how stable and functional it is. Specially with official documents/websites needing certain apps ( government document signing, 2fa, … ).
Still, awesome idea
Okay but I’m absolutely serious and I bet a lot of the upvotes on that ARE unironic. There is a market for chunky, powerful portable devices
-few manufacturers seem to want to cater to that type of customer however, probably because of a worldwide capitalism hegemony that exists to make you as placated and dumb as possible rather than empower you as a individual or something
You’re mistaken. Imperialism is capitalism, my friend. War is just easy profit to some. Regardless, tech companies LOVE to work with the state to design products; most motherboards dohave backdoors used by the likes of the NSA. So I think there’s a fair case to be made for it being more of a don’t-piss-off-the-government decision rather than scarcity of parts or demand.
There are products like the pinephone or what have you and they aren’t very successful, because most people demand convenience and not seeming weird to their peer group, both understandable impulses even as they lead us astray.
The government isn’t stopping manufacturers from making phones with bigger batteries and headphone jacks.
@invaderDJ @Porous_gray_matter. SBCs and their recent popularity show there IS a demand, as well as the existence of the pinephone period. I’m not convinced either. The government, -especially the USA’s undeniably has a vested interest in keeping versatile, powerful technology out of reach for most.
It’s definitely more than the market is not large enough or willing to pay enough to make it worth while. A phone with 3 USB ports, a physical keyboard and a huge ass battery?
That’s not a phone, that’s a laptop. The amount of people willing to pay for that is going to be miniscule.
I would buy one if they shipped globally and it was about 100-150€ cheaper. The specs are not worth 700€. I would also need official GrapheneOS support as well.
The no jack part is absolutely true and a disappointment. But you have to give credit to it’s reparability. I know it has a lot of limitations, you can’t swap the CPU if needed, but it’s much better than any other phone.
More repairable compared to pretty much everything released nowadays, but no 3.5 jack. And yap, the latter part sucks
Although, to me those scores don’t mean shit. Like damn, smth like 1+ 5(t) requires to remove just a few more screws to do the same stuff (yap, on mine I replaced the display, battery, and that flexpcb with ports 2-3 times). Yeah, okay, it’s still has decent 7/10; but wait, what’s that, crapple phone 14+ also has 7/10… Do I need to elaborate on why it’s bullshit? Just software pairing alone should automatically mean negative final mark
Aaand then we have 1+ 6, which gets 5/10 despite internally being pretty much the same as op5 except the back being glass and not proper metal.
When i got my FP4 I 3D printed my case with some flexable filament. Once the price went town (and the first case was full of full of dirt and dog food) I bought a cheaper one.
There are things missing from this that I want but the better sourcing and the dedication to a responsible platform makes me want to get one. I’m in the states though so I have to get a reshipper in order to get one which really sucks because it’s going to jack up the price anywhere from 40-100 euros.
The number of comment that says " I would buy one, but" is amazing !
What this company is doing is what every company should do, from laptop to tablet. As well as tractors. Dot being able to repair what you buy is fundamentally flawed!
TBF it’s not available in the USA, and a lot of us are in the USA…plus even if we got one, a lot of the bands wouldn’t work, so it’s not like you’d have a good connection with it.
“Not available” in a given country doesn’t really mean anything these days. You can buy anything online and get it shipped anywhere. The question I have is does it work on American wireless networks? Because if it does, you can figure out how to acquire a phone…
Unfortunately T-Mobile is really crap in most of the USA outside of major cities. I’m basically in a dead zone with T-Mobile in my town. ATT isn’t much better and Verizon is the best but both are still lacking… literally dropped calls in some areas.
That sucks when you are stuck in an area like that. I’ve had t-mo for about 15 years now and they’ve been great and have solid coverage everywhere I’ve been in and outside the state. Verizon really is a better option for more rural locations though generally. I had them for a little while when T-Mo didn’t have great coverage where I was. And I really dislike ATT so they were a hard pass lol
Yet they don’t sell in the USA, and they don’t have a headphone jack. A company meant for repairability and reliability not having a headphone jack. That’s like when framework removed it from the 16 inch laptop.
I don’t think your comparison to Framework is justified since 1) they made a headphone jack expansion module that’s available along with all the other ports and 2) the Framework 16 has 6 expansion bays instead of 4. If you need a headphone jack you get a 25% increase in configurable ports, and if you don’t need one you get a 50% increase in ports. Plus, you can easily switch between those two cases.
Technically 5 if you’re using one of them for the headphone jack (which you wouldn’t need if it was included on the device ready). Also the one with 4 already has a headphone jack included, so you’d still have 4 available ports.
And 3.
They’re small and I could lose it and would have to spend even more money for a replacement.
Even though I really want to support them, I don’t think I could get used to it. I really hate large phones, I tried to get used to them but eventually I always switched back. That is the dealbreaker for me, but I also don’t like that it has a slower processor, worse cameras, and worse battery life than my 3 year old phone.
For me it’s the micro SD card. Which the FP5 has… but I use my phone for emulators, and their phones aren’t as powerful as I would need. Also, they don’t sell in the US, so I couldn’t use it even if I wanted.
The FP5 still have some strange overheating issue. Some day I go from 90% et 10% in 2 hours, sometime it takes 2 day, without any changes in my usages. A reboot fixes it for a time, but I have to do it every 2-3 days…
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I like the concept, but without a truly open OS; like pinephone is doing with GNU/Linux, it’s still a device controlled by the most powerful company on the planet.
This is not the function of the phone.
As a pine64 fan ( proud owner of pinecill and quartz64 as daily drivers ) , i rooting for them and the pinephone. I like the idea of a linux phone, but unsure how stable and functional it is. Specially with official documents/websites needing certain apps ( government document signing, 2fa, … ).
Still, awesome idea
I want a fucking headphone jack, thanks. Also 3 full size USB ports, a physical keyboard and a inch-thick battery, because fuck you.
They got us in the first half.
Okay but I’m absolutely serious and I bet a lot of the upvotes on that ARE unironic. There is a market for chunky, powerful portable devices -few manufacturers seem to want to cater to that type of customer however, probably because of a worldwide capitalism hegemony that exists to make you as placated and dumb as possible rather than empower you as a individual or something
Capitalism isn’t purposeful in that way. One company might be, but if there was really a huge demand for that kind of thing someone would make it.
You’re mistaken. Imperialism is capitalism, my friend. War is just easy profit to some. Regardless, tech companies LOVE to work with the state to design products; most motherboards do have backdoors used by the likes of the NSA. So I think there’s a fair case to be made for it being more of a don’t-piss-off-the-government decision rather than scarcity of parts or demand.
There are products like the pinephone or what have you and they aren’t very successful, because most people demand convenience and not seeming weird to their peer group, both understandable impulses even as they lead us astray.
The government isn’t stopping manufacturers from making phones with bigger batteries and headphone jacks.
@invaderDJ @Porous_gray_matter. SBCs and their recent popularity show there IS a demand, as well as the existence of the pinephone period. I’m not convinced either. The government, -especially the USA’s undeniably has a vested interest in keeping versatile, powerful technology out of reach for most.
It’s definitely more than the market is not large enough or willing to pay enough to make it worth while. A phone with 3 USB ports, a physical keyboard and a huge ass battery?
That’s not a phone, that’s a laptop. The amount of people willing to pay for that is going to be miniscule.
I would buy one if they shipped globally and it was about 100-150€ cheaper. The specs are not worth 700€. I would also need official GrapheneOS support as well.
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It wasn’t free. You paid for it
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Agree with the message but not with the tone. I buy used phones from eBay and they are awesome. Like $100 for a newish device.
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Yeah it’s just crazy watching you be ableist as if you have a point
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There’s no GrapheneOS support for it, but CalyxOS is going to support it.
That’s what those specs are worth if everyone who’s part of it gets compensated for their work appropriately.
Imagine the price of a Galaxy S23 if Samsung actually was fair to everyone involved.
So, not repairable and no headphone jack. Sounds Luke a loser.
Poor Luke :(
The no jack part is absolutely true and a disappointment. But you have to give credit to it’s reparability. I know it has a lot of limitations, you can’t swap the CPU if needed, but it’s much better than any other phone.
More repairable compared to pretty much everything released nowadays, but no 3.5 jack. And yap, the latter part sucks
Although, to me those scores don’t mean shit. Like damn, smth like 1+ 5(t) requires to remove just a few more screws to do the same stuff (yap, on mine I replaced the display, battery, and that flexpcb with ports 2-3 times). Yeah, okay, it’s still has decent 7/10; but wait, what’s that, crapple phone 14+ also has 7/10… Do I need to elaborate on why it’s bullshit? Just software pairing alone should automatically mean negative final mark
Aaand then we have 1+ 6, which gets 5/10 despite internally being pretty much the same as op5 except the back being glass and not proper metal.
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Has anyone had success importing one into the US to work on T-Mobile?
I haven’t tried but Murena sells Fairphones to the US market but no release date announced it for it yet.
https://murena.com/america/murena-fairphone-5-availibility/
Still no 3.5mm jack, still no dice for me.
Just get a dongle.
I don’t like it (that’s why I keep a Galaxy S9) but that ship has sailed.
I’ve got a Galaxy S9!
I like the Fairphone 5 but €40 for a case is unforgivable.
I’m feeling like it’s a gouge because they know not many (if any) 3rd party cases exist.
Hey now, you’re looking at this all wrong: if you break your phone because you didn’t have a case on, it should be easily fixable! ;-)
I have a FP5 and honestly:
You don’t want a case. Seriously.
Just get one of the Screen Protectors and you’re good to go.
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When i got my FP4 I 3D printed my case with some flexable filament. Once the price went town (and the first case was full of full of dirt and dog food) I bought a cheaper one.
Hitting the dirt and dog food goal really is the biggest factor for case replacement in my house.
Yah, it was a bad print with very porous layers, but it worked… For a while
There are things missing from this that I want but the better sourcing and the dedication to a responsible platform makes me want to get one. I’m in the states though so I have to get a reshipper in order to get one which really sucks because it’s going to jack up the price anywhere from 40-100 euros.
I would totally buy one if they brought it to the US.
The number of comment that says " I would buy one, but" is amazing !
What this company is doing is what every company should do, from laptop to tablet. As well as tractors. Dot being able to repair what you buy is fundamentally flawed!
TBF it’s not available in the USA, and a lot of us are in the USA…plus even if we got one, a lot of the bands wouldn’t work, so it’s not like you’d have a good connection with it.
“Not available” in a given country doesn’t really mean anything these days. You can buy anything online and get it shipped anywhere. The question I have is does it work on American wireless networks? Because if it does, you can figure out how to acquire a phone…
How tragic. I’m sorry. As a dirty Yuropoor I’ll buy one in your place and enjoy it for you.
Please do lol, I’d love to own one but it’d be a wifi brick at best here state side.
It’s compatible with most of T-Mobile bands.
Unfortunately T-Mobile is really crap in most of the USA outside of major cities. I’m basically in a dead zone with T-Mobile in my town. ATT isn’t much better and Verizon is the best but both are still lacking… literally dropped calls in some areas.
That sucks when you are stuck in an area like that. I’ve had t-mo for about 15 years now and they’ve been great and have solid coverage everywhere I’ve been in and outside the state. Verizon really is a better option for more rural locations though generally. I had them for a little while when T-Mo didn’t have great coverage where I was. And I really dislike ATT so they were a hard pass lol
Yet they don’t sell in the USA, and they don’t have a headphone jack. A company meant for repairability and reliability not having a headphone jack. That’s like when framework removed it from the 16 inch laptop.
I don’t think your comparison to Framework is justified since 1) they made a headphone jack expansion module that’s available along with all the other ports and 2) the Framework 16 has 6 expansion bays instead of 4. If you need a headphone jack you get a 25% increase in configurable ports, and if you don’t need one you get a 50% increase in ports. Plus, you can easily switch between those two cases.
And 3.
They’re small and I could lose it and would have to spend even more money for a replacement.
Even though I really want to support them, I don’t think I could get used to it. I really hate large phones, I tried to get used to them but eventually I always switched back. That is the dealbreaker for me, but I also don’t like that it has a slower processor, worse cameras, and worse battery life than my 3 year old phone.
I want the headphone jack back.
Yes agreed. The headphone jack is a perfected technology. If a device does not have a headphone jack I am not buying it. Full stop.
For me it’s the micro SD card. Which the FP5 has… but I use my phone for emulators, and their phones aren’t as powerful as I would need. Also, they don’t sell in the US, so I couldn’t use it even if I wanted.
Lack of one is an immediate showstopper for me, too.
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The FP5 still have some strange overheating issue. Some day I go from 90% et 10% in 2 hours, sometime it takes 2 day, without any changes in my usages. A reboot fixes it for a time, but I have to do it every 2-3 days…